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Jurassic Referee Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:30am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 680933)

Know who's who in your neck of the woods! Pissing off the wrong person could land you in F/JV circuit for good.


Unfortunately, that's a very accurate statement in my experience. It's a real world out there. You have to know your local dynamics. And unfortunately you also have to adjust to those local dynamics.

It's up to the local officials collectively to change those dynamics. One person ain't gonna do it. And if you're that one person, you might end up doing games down at Podunk MS for years.

Note that I'm just as much against crappy local local politics as any of you. I just don't believe in them. But in your own area, you might not have a choice. As I said, there's a real world out there.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:32am

Jurassic, you make some valid points, but how did we let it get to where it is today?

Adam Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:41am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680955)
Jurassic, you make some valid points, but how did we let it get to where it is today?

Human nature. It really is that simple.

Raymond Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:51am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680939)
We have to make sure we pregrame this and if you are the R on the game make sure you make your crew confortable with coming in and giving information.

This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:02am

Then it would have only taken 5 seconds if they would have called the obvious foul that both of them had.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:04am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 680959)
This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

Raymond Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:11am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 680959)
This wasn't a "coming in and giving information" play. It was a play where the Lead was apparently straight-lined and the C and L passed on a foul Then they come in at halftime criticizing the Lead's OOB call.

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680963)
He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

The Lead shouldn't get a shove in the back that's right in front of him? I get 'em all the time.

Scratch85 Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:15am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680963)
He wasn't straight-lined because the lead shouldn't be getting rebound fouls of this nature...the center and trail have good lucks...blow your whistle.

Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:15am

As a general rule (not hard and fast) most rebounds fouls should come from the two outside officials. The lead will get some obvious shoves right in front of them.

DLH17 Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:25am

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 680967)
Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

If there was a push on the play by player B, and the ball goes OOB, the resulting OOB violation on player B is perfectly acceptable in most game mgmt situations I've seen.

If the ball doesn't go OOB and team B recovers the rebound, then the C and/or T probably shouldn't pass on that call using a patient whistle.

vbzebra Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:26am

I think part of the problem was the fact that I was too close to the play (mid-point on end line as L) and didn't back up far enough to the wide position when I saw the two trees moving towards me to jump for the rebound, and I was too focused on looking at their hands up to to see who was going to touch it last...

Raymond Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:27am

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 680967)
Completely agree.

A push from behind on rebounding action is almost always more easily seen from the C and T. One of them should have called the foul. Since they didn't, forget it. Happens more often than it should.

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680968)
As a general rule (not hard and fast) most rebounds fouls should come from the two outside officials. The lead will get some obvious shoves right in front of them.

I would say your classic "over-the-back" calls should come from the outside. But shoves in the back usually occur when one or both players are still on the ground. The Lead should be working for the angle to see between the 2 players.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:39am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 680974)
I would say your classic "over-the-back" calls should come from the outside. But shoves in the back usually occur when one or both players are still on the ground. The Lead should be working for the angle to see between the 2 players.

I would totally agree with you on this.

GoodwillRef Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:41am

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 680972)
If there was a push on the play by player B, and the ball goes OOB, the resulting OOB violation on player B is perfectly acceptable in most game mgmt situations I've seen.

If the ball doesn't go OOB and team B recovers the rebound, then the C and/or T probably shouldn't pass on that call using a patient whistle.

You have to be careful, if there is a foul on team B and then the Lead gives the ball to team B you are going to come in with a very late whistle and get the foul?

DLH17 Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:51am

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 680977)
You have to be careful, if there is a foul on team B and then the Lead gives the ball to team B you are going to come in with a very late whistle and get the foul?

Who said anything about a "late" whistle? ;)

Point taken. But, seriously, just pausing for that extra half sec or so can make a big difference in how that situation plays out.


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