"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Again.... BS!

Doing the math. In order for you to work 2 on 1 off that would require a set of 16 games. Using NFHS rules and mechanics, each game would take approx 1hr 15 min. That does not allow for OT orteams needing 5-10 minutes to warm up. That adds up to a 16 hr day. You would need to eat and stay properly hydrated, which is harder for older people.

No, it requires, at minimum, 11 games. 2 +1 + 2 + 1 + 2 +1 + 2
Last night I worked a league that had four games (I did two) and we were right on schedule with 1 hour per game.

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc). That adds up to 64-80 miles for your 16 game set. For you to keep the pace you claim, you would be an elite marathoner. Even at a steady pace, with no quick transitions, is hard to believe that you had no drop off.

4-5 miles? I have a hard time believing that.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc).

Not in spring and summer leagues. A lot of those games are played on MS and even elementary school courts which are much, much smaller.

Besides, who runs in those games?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Doing the math. In order for you to work 2 on 1 off that would require a set of 16 games.

Not that I want to defend the guy --- but 2 on, 1 off would require an 11 game set to work 8 (assuming you have the first shift). On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On, Off, On, On - 8 on's, 3 off's.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Most games require 4-5 miles of running (stopping, starting, etc.)

I used a pedometer for a few high school varsity games this past year. Averaged about three miles, from pregame locker room, to post game locker room.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day? Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief, but this stretches it for us.
And, if it's true that you were able to do all this, well, it's a good thing they don't test officials for PEDs. If you're simply a freak of nature, that's different, but you should at least excuse our disbelief. We had no idea you were actually Jon Diebler in disguise.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day? Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief, but this stretches it for us.
And, if it's true that you were able to do all this, well, it's a good thing they don't test officials for PEDs. If you're simply a freak of nature, that's different, but you should at least excuse our disbelief. We had no idea you were actually Jon Diebler in disguise.

I pride myself in being in pretty good shape for my age. About a month ago after this last winter season ended I did five tourney games in a row on a HS sized court. I gave it my all for sure, but much as I tried, I know I defintiely s l o w e d down by the end. Then, I drove the 40 minutes home, opened the car door, and had one heck of a time just getting out of the car. So sad.....

The mind is willing buy the flesh is weak.....

As Clint once said (insert photo here), "A man's got to know his limitations." And, I know mine - depending on the size of the floor.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day? Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief, but this stretches it for us.
And, if it's true that you were able to do all this, well, it's a good thing they don't test officials for PEDs. If you're simply a freak of nature, that's different, but you should at least excuse our disbelief. We had no idea you were actually Jon Diebler in disguise.

Ok...thanks for pointing that out. I can see how people would question that. Maybe I physically "slowed down" from game 1 to game 8, but the effort and hustle did not diminish. In game 8, I'm still making a concerted effort to call a good game and be in the right place at the right time. Did I run from baseline to half court in the same amount of time near the end of the day as the beginning of the day? Probably not. Was I still running to my spots. Absolutely. If you clocked me, sure, I'm probably a little "slower". But noone would look at me and say, 'geez, that guy is spent. he's not even running or making an effort at this point.'.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously, I'm not sure if you understand or not, but this is the part people are calling BS. You may have tried, you may have hustled, you may have even been in position; but to suggest you didn't even slow down after 5 games on the same day?

If you don't go all out in your first game, then you don't need to slow down in your eighth game. I'm not saying that's what happened, only that it fits the statements given.

Most of us can maintain some sort of suspension of disbelief

I prefer to disbelieve all the time. You can believe me on that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you're simply a freak of nature, that's different, but you should at least excuse our disbelief. We had no idea you were actually Jon Diebler in disguise.

More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Look. Up in the sky. It's a bird? It's a plane? It's Superef.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

Catholic middle school league. $40.00 per game. Seven minute periods. Stop time. Usually a boy/girl double header. Two person crew. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. We received emails from him this past season pointing out that some of us were showing up a little late for games, wearing sweats and/or sneakers, and/or not hustling, and he reminded us, actually threatened us, that this would not be tolerated. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane. Sometimes it's tough for rookies to get use to the relaxed mechanics, I know it was for me when I first came to this league, but almost all of the veterans are more than happy to go 100% mechanics if a rookie needs to learn the correct high school mechanics.

AAU is assigned by our high school assigner. $35.00 per game. Usually two games scheduled per two person crew. Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes. Sixteen minute halves. Stop time. Three 60's and two 30's. Our assigner expects us to be on time, be in proper uniform, except that black shorts are allowed, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, and to put the ball in play where it belongs. Due to the tight schedule we are not discouraged from avoiding switches, from reporting from places outside the reporting area, and from administering the throwin from across the lane. Occasionally the AAU games are run in conjunction with our local board camp, and then we go 100% mechanics.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Games are scheduled by the AAU host every seventy minutes.

Boy - that was really sarcastic. I love it when you guys use the blue font!

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

be on time, be in proper uniform, hustle on all plays, use proper signals, enforce uniform and equipment restrictions, put the ball in play where it belongs, and not to participate in 50/50 raffles. He also allows us to switch when convenient, report from places outside the reporting area, and administer the throwin from across the lane.

Thank you. That very nicely sums up working AAU or whatever they call it out in the rust belt. The kids deserve a properly called game, no matter what the hucksters are doing to cut corners on paying officials, and we can give it to them. The only pet peeve I have about relaxed (excuse me, I mean paced) mechanics is I think it's important to switch on occasion so that things are balanced out on the floor.

Reading all the quibbling and arguing, I thought I had stumbled into a summer camp for coaches. Had an urge to whack someone.

As for eight games in one day, no chance on this earth can anyone be running anywhere near as effectively at the end as in the beginning. From tip-off in game 1 to the horn in game 8 is 12 hours. Presumably you have had something to eat in there (for me, that means a mandatory Siesta). Nobody can possibly be as sharp physically or mentally for the last one if they are for the first. Whether it's sex or calling basketball games, the law of diminishing returns is not suspended because we have some sort of conceited belief that we are Superman.

[Mark Padgett]

Back sometime in the early 90s, I worked a MS boys holiday tournament at a local HS gym that had two courts - one standard HS size and the other was what you would call MS size. The games were 20 minute running halves and they started one hour and ten minutes apart. On Friday night, I worked three games starting at 6:00. On both Saturday and Sunday, I worked four games in the mornings starting at 9:00 and four games in the evenings starting at 5:00 (including the "championship" game at 8:30 on Sunday night), so I had both afternoons to rest up and eat. A lot of my games were on the MS sized court, but not the last four on Sunday night. If I remember correctly (and at my age, that's not a given) the games paid $12 each, so I made $228 for the 19 games - in cash!

Needless to say, all my partners and I worked "convenience mechanics".

Oh yeah, we got as much free soda pop as we wanted. I must have downed at least 12 bottles of Diet Pepsi that weekend. Good thing the bathrooms were right next to the courts.

BTW - when I got home late on Sunday night, my wife said, "You home already?"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Needless to say, all my partners and I worked "convenience mechanics".

I worked a summer tournament at the local college that I attended in the summer of 97 or 98. I worked like 7 games on Saturday and 8 on Sunday. These were high school teams and we did the same thing. Hell after the end of day one I was exhausted. By the time we were done on day two I could hardly walk. There was no way I could run or do much during live ball periods, let alone dead ball periods. The most switching we did was during FTs, but that soon stopped as my partner and I (who worked all the games together) were so tired we were just trying to get through the games without getting hurt. I learned that I cannot work that many games in a row and needed a significant break to continue. Never again.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hell after the end of day one I was exhausted. By the time we were done on day two I could hardly walk.

I have just one word to say to that - meds.