Why call traveling? It's the NBE.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He had complete and total control to the point where I would have granted a timeout while it was pinned.

Then you are deeming that he is HOLDING the ball because only by establishing player control can a time-out request be granted during a live ball (other than at the disposal situations), and player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

Anyone who would have granted a request for a time-out to a player pinning the ball to the floor in this manner is admitting that this action constitutes holding the ball.

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

Doesn't this go in the DUH file? Of course it is possible for a player to hold the ball while touching the floor.......or another player.........or the backboard if it's a really tall player.

Some of us just think that in this play, Rondo was not holding the ball until after he stood up. One would think that based on past history, he could have done practically anything here without a whistle.

But, if an NFHS player has the presence of mind to not grab the ball while on the floor in this situation, or just gets lucky and doesn't, it is a legal play.

[dave30]

Kobe stumbled the other night and took two or three steps and fell down while clutching the ball like an NFL running back.

He wasn't called for travelling and was granted a timeout!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dave30

Kobe stumbled the other night and took two or three steps and fell down while clutching the ball like an NFL running back.

He wasn't called for travelling and was granted a timeout!

Falling to the floor with the ball is not illegal in the NBA.

"A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

I won't comment on the number of steps taken during the fall.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us just think that in this play, Rondo was not holding the ball until after he stood up. One would think that based on past history, he could have done practically anything here without a whistle.

I have to agree with you completely. I just saw the YouTube video of this play and it looks like Rondo does not gain control until he is on his feet. I was mostly commenting off of memory, but now that I was really able to see the replay (the top video looks the best in my opinion) I not only think that this was legal, this would be legal at all levels. He did not control the ball then come off the floor from my judgment.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He did not control the ball then come off the floor from my judgment.

And that's how the play is called.....

Always a judgment call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that's how the play is called.....

Always a judgment call.

Well that's a great way to kill the discussion. Where's the fun in that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then you are deeming that he is HOLDING the ball because only by establishing player control can a time-out request be granted during a live ball (other than at the disposal situations), and player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

Anyone who would have granted a request for a time-out to a player pinning the ball to the floor in this manner is admitting that this action constitutes holding the ball.

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

That was my point, yes.