Why call traveling? It's the NBE.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

BLUE FONT!!!

IDGAF about blue font. I knew you were being sarcastic, though, and I responded accordingly.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He had complete and total control to the point where I would have granted a timeout while it was pinned.

Then you are deeming that he is HOLDING the ball because only by establishing player control can a time-out request be granted during a live ball (other than at the disposal situations), and player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

Anyone who would have granted a request for a time-out to a player pinning the ball to the floor in this manner is admitting that this action constitutes holding the ball.

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

Doesn't this go in the DUH file? Of course it is possible for a player to hold the ball while touching the floor.......or another player.........or the backboard if it's a really tall player.

Some of us just think that in this play, Rondo was not holding the ball until after he stood up. One would think that based on past history, he could have done practically anything here without a whistle.

But, if an NFHS player has the presence of mind to not grab the ball while on the floor in this situation, or just gets lucky and doesn't, it is a legal play.

[dave30]

Kobe stumbled the other night and took two or three steps and fell down while clutching the ball like an NFL running back.

He wasn't called for travelling and was granted a timeout!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dave30

Kobe stumbled the other night and took two or three steps and fell down while clutching the ball like an NFL running back.

He wasn't called for travelling and was granted a timeout!

Falling to the floor with the ball is not illegal in the NBA.

"A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

I won't comment on the number of steps taken during the fall.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I said nothing about the spirit of the rule, so perhaps your reading comprehension could use a little work.

"Intent and purpose" are, however, mentioned in the actual rule book.

And those are essentially the same thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Some of us just think that in this play, Rondo was not holding the ball until after he stood up. One would think that based on past history, he could have done practically anything here without a whistle.

I have to agree with you completely. I just saw the YouTube video of this play and it looks like Rondo does not gain control until he is on his feet. I was mostly commenting off of memory, but now that I was really able to see the replay (the top video looks the best in my opinion) I not only think that this was legal, this would be legal at all levels. He did not control the ball then come off the floor from my judgment.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He did not control the ball then come off the floor from my judgment.

And that's how the play is called.....

Always a judgment call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Then you are deeming that he is HOLDING the ball because only by establishing player control can a time-out request be granted during a live ball (other than at the disposal situations), and player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

Anyone who would have granted a request for a time-out to a player pinning the ball to the floor in this manner is admitting that this action constitutes holding the ball.

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

That was my point, yes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that's how the play is called.....

Always a judgment call.

Well that's a great way to kill the discussion. Where's the fun in that?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

IDGAF about blue font...

An oldie, but goodie....and it was started by me.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

An oldie, but goodie....and it was started by me.

Uh, I haven't been posting/reading a lot, but can someone tell me who this (Judtech) guy is to even dictate something that wasn't normally done on the forum. Or, are people just doing it (sometimes) to be sarcastic like the....wait for it...

If so, Judtech, you have been owned!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Uh, I haven't been posting/reading a lot, but can someone tell me who this (Judtech) guy is to even dictate something that wasn't normally done on the forum. Or, are people just doing it (sometimes) to be sarcastic like the....wait for it...

If so, Judtech, you have been owned!

I believe that people are doing it as a running joke.

As far as Judtech, he is a big-time college official. He can dictate the parameters of anything. Didn't you know that?

[Zoochy]

A player is flat on his stomach with his hand extended out in front of him pinning the ball to the floor. Is he in control of the ball???
I do recall reading some time ago that pinning the ball is not control. Thus the Rondo play is legal. Also you would not be able to call a Time-out if a player requested one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

A player is flat on his stomach with his hand extended out in front of him pinning the ball to the floor. Is he in control of the ball???
I do recall reading some time ago that pinning the ball is not control. Thus the Rondo play is legal. Also you would not be able to call a Time-out if a player requested one.

do you have a reference to documentation of this?