IDGAF about blue font. I knew you were being sarcastic, though, and I responded accordingly.

Then you are deeming that he is HOLDING the ball because only by establishing player control can a time-out request be granted during a live ball (other than at the disposal situations), and player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.

Anyone who would have granted a request for a time-out to a player pinning the ball to the floor in this manner is admitting that this action constitutes holding the ball.

The reason that I posted 4.15 Comment earlier in this thread was to demonstrate that the NFHS considers it possible for a player to be holding the ball while it is touching the floor.

Doesn't this go in the DUH file? Of course it is possible for a player to hold the ball while touching the floor.......or another player.........or the backboard if it's a really tall player.

Some of us just think that in this play, Rondo was not holding the ball until after he stood up. One would think that based on past history, he could have done practically anything here without a whistle.

But, if an NFHS player has the presence of mind to not grab the ball while on the floor in this situation, or just gets lucky and doesn't, it is a legal play.

Kobe stumbled the other night and took two or three steps and fell down while clutching the ball like an NFL running back.

He wasn't called for travelling and was granted a timeout!

Falling to the floor with the ball is not illegal in the NBA.

"A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding."

I won't comment on the number of steps taken during the fall.

And those are essentially the same thing.

I have to agree with you completely. I just saw the YouTube video of this play and it looks like Rondo does not gain control until he is on his feet. I was mostly commenting off of memory, but now that I was really able to see the replay (the top video looks the best in my opinion) I not only think that this was legal, this would be legal at all levels. He did not control the ball then come off the floor from my judgment.

Peace

And that's how the play is called.....

Always a judgment call.

That was my point, yes.

Well that's a great way to kill the discussion. Where's the fun in that? :(

An oldie, but goodie....and it was started by me. :D

Uh, I haven't been posting/reading a lot, but can someone tell me who this (Judtech) guy is to even dictate something that wasn't normally done on the forum. Or, are people just doing it (sometimes) to be sarcastic like the....wait for it...:D

If so, Judtech, you have been owned!

I believe that people are doing it as a running joke.

As far as Judtech, he is a big-time college official. He can dictate the parameters of anything. Didn't you know that? ;)

A player is flat on his stomach with his hand extended out in front of him pinning the ball to the floor. Is he in control of the ball???
I do recall reading some time ago that pinning the ball is not control. Thus the Rondo play is legal. Also you would not be able to call a Time-out if a player requested one.

do you have a reference to documentation of this?