Defensive Blind Screen?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by KCRef

B1 scores a basket, and A1 throws in to A2. A5 is jogging up the court (still in his backcourt), looking back at his teammate with the ball. B5 is facing A5, and has obtained a LGP with plenty of steps infront of A5. A5 collides into B5, and they both go down. Is there any foul? I say no.

I believe that it would be similar to when the offense sets a blind screen for his teammate that has the ball. If the defense never sees the screen, then there is no foul when they collide.

1) We all know that the guarding rule applies only to the five defensive players.

2) We all know that the screening rule apples to all ten players (both offensive (including the player in control of the ball) and defensive players).

3) The play in the OP is a conundrum (boy, I hope I spelled that correctly, ) because the official has to decide which B5 did: (a) Did B5 obtain (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a LGP, or (b) Did B5 set a legal blind screen?

4) The answer to both items in (3) is YES. So what do we do?

5) In this play I am inclined to rule LGP, because B5 was facing A5. Remember to obtain/establish a LGP, the defender must be facing the offensive player, while in setting a screen the screener does NOT have to be facing the screenee (I hope I spelled this correctly too, ). And NFHS Casebook Play 10.6.11 Situation D supports my position.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS Casebook Play 10.6.11 Situation D supports my position.

10.6.11 SITUATION D: A1 is running toward A’s goal but is looking back to
receive a pass. B1 takes a position in the path of A1 while A1 is 10 feet away from
B1. (a) A1 runs into B1 before receiving the ball; or (b) A1 receives the ball and
before taking a step contacts B1. RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 is responsible
for contact. In (a), B1’s position is legal if A1 has been given two strides prior to
contact. In (b), since the position of B1 is legal when A1 has the ball, the contact
is charging by A1. (4-40)

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The play in the OP is a conundrum (boy, I hope I spelled that correctly, )

Indeed you did, sir. If there's ever any question about a word's spelling, I find the easiest thing to do is open another tab and go to dictionary.com.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Indeed you did, sir. If there's ever any question about a word's spelling, I find the easiest thing to do is open another tab and go to dictionary.com.

It is even easier, just click the spell check button in top right of the post entry form. (You may have to install ieSpell before it will show or will work...and you have to use IE.)

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

and you have to use IE.)

I'd rather be permanently relegated to officiating 3rd grade B league games

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I'd rather be permanently relegated to officiating 3rd grade B league games

I use firefox, chrome, and safari too...even firefox on linux. They really aren't any better. The biggest reason people claim the others are better is just an anti-Microsoft predisposition. They're not bad, but really not better.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I use firefox, chrome, and safari too...even firefox on linux. They just really aren't any better. The biggest reason people claim the others are better is just an anti-Microsoft predisposition. They not bad, but really not better.

My perspective derives from being a computer security consultant. I don't mind when customers want to put themselves at undue risk, it pads my pocket. Just try to avoid using any version of IE myself. Too big a target for the bad guys who would like to purloin your goodies.

[Adam]

FTR, MTD and Nevada have convinced me that, on this particular play, "guarding" is the preferred call here, and thus a TC foul.

There is still a debate to be had regarding whether it's a blind screen when the player is running forward but looking backwards.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by justacoach

My perspective derives from being a computer security consultant. I don't mind when customers want to put themselves at undue risk, it pads my pocket. Just try to avoid using any version of IE myself. Too big a target for the bad guys who would like to purloin your goodies.

Just as long as we're clear about WHY it is a target....

The unsensationalized facts are that it is NOT fundamentally more/less secure at all. There are just that far more people using it and therefore a better target for someone wanting to attack as broad of an audience as possible with hopes of getting lucky.

Same thing with Mac vs. Windows. If you were writing a virus and wanted to have the most impact, why would you bother targeting an OS with such small market share. You would target the system most widely used. Thus, the Mac APPEARS at first glance to be less prone to viruses. When in fact, it is less only targeted becasue there are far fewer or them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Conundrum (boy, I hope I spelled that correctly.

I prefer this spelling: Corundum.



(Ruby and Sapphire)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS Casebook Play 10.6.11 Situation D supports my position.

So does your truss. (Apologies to Don Rickles.)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So does your truss. (Apologies to Don Rickles.)

Billy:

Keeping in mind that I am a structural engineer (Bachelor of Engineering in civil engineering, William Rayen School of Engineering, Youngstown (Ohio) State University, Class of 1980), what type of truss?

Allan
Bailey
Baltimore
Bollmann
Brown
Burr Arch
Callender-Hamilton
Cantilever
Dare
DeBurg
Fink
Haupt
Howe
Kingpost
Lattice
Lenticular with penticular web
Long
Paddleford
Parker
Pegram
Pennsylvania through
Pettit
Pony
Post
Pratt
Smith
Thacher
Town lattice
Truesdell
Vierendeel
Waddell "A"
Warren
Whipple


Of course my favorite is the Bailey Bridge, which played a major role in the bridging of many streams and rivers by the Allies during World War II. A major reference is in the movie A Bridge Too Far which is based on Cornelius Ryan's book describing Operation Market-Garden, when the Allies attempted to capture five bridges in the Netherlands across the Meuse, Wall, and Lower Rhine Rivers, in September 1944.

MTD, Sr.