2010-11 NFHS Rule Changes

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

One question...

Ok, I can usually handle one question. Thanks for keeping it simple.

the second it falls through the net and the player grabs it, can that player execute a legal throwin? No. They're usually not OOB.

I agree, but the question you pose is irrelevant. Because. . .

To be made available for the throwin, it has to be in a spot where the throwin can legally occur (or there must have been time for a player to have taken it to such a spot).

There is no mention of being "available for a throw-in" in the rules. NFHS 4-4-7d simply says that the ball is at the disposal of a player when it's "available to a player after a goal". It doesn't even say it has to be the player who will make the throw-in, let alone that the player must be out of bounds. The ball just has to be available for a player to pick up. That's all it says. If a player can easily access the ball and then start the throw-in procedure, then the ball is available to him/her.

This is really the only way the rules make any sense. Otherwise, you would, have to start a count on a player who picks up a ball after a made shot even when the ball comes out of the net oddly and bounces to midcourt.

In this situation, the correct thing to do is not to start the count, but to stop the clock so game time is not wasted and retrieve the ball. Then the ball becomes live when thrower-in catches the ball from the referee.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Ok, I can usually handle one question. Thanks for keeping it simple.

I agree, but the question you pose is irrelevant. Because. . .

There is no mention of being "available for a throw-in" in the rules. NFHS 4-4-7d simply says that the ball is at the disposal of a player when it's "available to a player after a goal".

Then what else is it available for?

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It doesn't even say it has to be the player who will make the throw-in, let alone that the player must be out of bounds. The ball just has to be available for a player to pick up. That's all it says. If a player can easily access the ball and then start the throw-in procedure, then the ball is available to him/her.

It doesn't say that at all. How far from the endline must the ball for it to not be "available" when a player picks it up? 2 feet? 5 feet? 15 feet? 30 feet? What rule provides that limit?

You can't answer those questions because they have no backing in the rules...either direct or implied.

It (live ball, count, disposal, etc.) either starts when a player picks up the ball without regard to location (not mentioned) or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

Therefore, the only conclusion that is supportable by rule is that the ball must be (or could have been in the case of a deliberate delay) available to actually make the throwin.....OOB.