2010-11 NFHS Rule Changes

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Altor

No, of course not. You will be expected to research it yourself. And if you don't, you can expect a lawsuit when you let a concussed individual continue to play.

I still want to see one of these lawsuits when it happens.

Plaintiff: We wish to sue this official for not recognizing my client, a minor child, might have had a concussion.

Judge: Why is the official responsible?

Plaintiff: NFHS rules 2-8-5 and 3-3-8.

Judge: Are you kidding?

Plaintiff: Uh........no?

Judge: The rules you mention have nothing to do with the law. A basketball official is not a doctor. (dammit, Jim) No law that I am aware of would make this defendant liable. Next case.

[Judtech]

JUST - I'll take you on with that line of reasoning.
Your honor, this official by consent and/or contract has agreed with the rules set forth in the NFHS rule book. By passsing the annual NFHS examthis official is "certified" by the national governing body. A body, which I may add, is established to monitor the rules and safety of athletes such as my client across America. As such, it is reasonable to assume that this official accepts, condones and adheres to the rules and policies set forth by the governing body. The rule book clearly states that it is the responsibility for the official to know the sign/symptoms of a concussion. Clearly in my clients case this official was negligent in their duties. Because of this negligence, my client experienced pain and suffering, not to mention the added anguish, pain and uncertainty that this minor's parents suffered.
I cite In Loco Parentis and Duty of Care as reasons this suit should continue.
I would also probably name the NFHS (along with the coach, school, AD, principle, and school district) because they did not give their officials proper instruction in diagnosing concussions!! But that is just me

[Altor]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I still want to see one of these lawsuits when it happens.

Plaintiff: We wish to sue this official for not recognizing my client, a minor child, might have had a concussion.

Judge: Why is the official responsible?

Plaintiff: NFHS rules 2-8-5 and 3-3-8.

Judge: Are you kidding?

Plaintiff: Uh........no?

Judge: The rules you mention have nothing to do with the law. A basketball official is not a doctor. (dammit, Jim) No law that I am aware of would make this defendant liable. Next case.

I didn't say the plaintiff would win. But, even defending a lawsuit can be expensive. Like I said, I hope the NFHS and State Associations' insurance covers us. I'm pretty sure the NFHS Officials Association General Liability Insurance does, so that part was a little facetious.

Sports officials find their decisions, actions challenged in court
Limited Liability for Sports Officials
Officials Legal Liability

Indeed, these links mostly agree with you. Officials are generally not held responsible in court unless they are found to be acting in bad faith (fraud) or are grossly negligent. On the other hand, look how many actually made it to court and won, before being reversed on appeal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nagy0716

2010-11 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Rules Enforcement
2. Sportsmanship
3. Perimeter Play
4. Closely-guarded Situations
5. Principle of Verticality

*6 ACT OF SHOOTING! is it just me or does it seem like 90 percent of the time in HIGHSCHOOL, refs are to quick to wave of the shot and not let them "continue" after they are fouled?

Let me address a couple things. POEs are not just for officials. POEs are for coaches that teach their players and the players that play the game. Many of the things we see that are put in the POEs are not just because officials do not call things, it is also because coaches and players do not understand the application of those rules. The best example I can give is a few years ago when one of the POEs was about slapping the backboard. It was funny how many times a slap of the backboard took place and coaches (and their players) wanted points to be counted, even though the rule was emphasized to not have that perception. It did not stop every time this took place a coach thought the officials did not know the rule or had to try to tell officials this was a POE. I can honestly say I have not seen many officials screw up that rule but once or twice in my career and it is usually non-high school sanctioned games where I see that mess up. In other words, the officials may or may not have been licensed to work regular high school games.

The part about "Act of Shooting" is much more of a problem with coaches and players because they think that if you are not airborne and throwing the ball in the basket at the moment you are fouled, you are not in the act of shooting. Usually the officials that get this wrong are newer officials that do not understand the current rules on when a player is in the act of shooting. But veterans tend to get this right more often and award properly shots on a foul. But it is the coaches and players that are often asking, "He was on the floor right?" Or they say "This is not the NBA" which ironically is just about the same rule as in college and high school.

Peace

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by Nagy0716

2010-11 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. Rules Enforcement
2. Sportsmanship
3. Perimeter Play
4. Closely-guarded Situations
5. Principle of Verticality

*6 ACT OF SHOOTING! is it just me or does it seem like 90 percent of the time in HIGHSCHOOL, refs are to quick to wave of the shot and not let them "continue" after they are fouled?[/QUOTE]

And when you let it continue you hear, "This ain't the NBA!!"

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by ODJ

*6 ACT OF SHOOTING! is it just me or does it seem like 90 percent of the time in HIGHSCHOOL, refs are to quick to wave of the shot and not let them "continue" after they are fouled?

And when you let it continue you hear, "This ain't the NBA!!"[/QUOTE]

Yes. Too many officials wave off shots that should be shooting fouls, but because the ball is not leaving the shooter's hand, they don't award free throws. Part of the problem is that a lot of people don't read the rule book.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Yes. Too many officials wave off shots that should be shooting fouls, but because the ball is not leaving the shooter's hand, they don't award free throws. Part of the problem is that a lot of people don't read the rule book.

I do not think reading is the problem, I think a lack of understanding is.

Peace

[Mark Padgett]

All this talk about lawsuits is giving me a concussion.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

All this talk about lawsuits is giving me a concussion.

Well then, you can't referee again until you come back with a doctor's note and have both coaches and the hot mom at the table clear you.......

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Well then, you can't referee again until you come back with a doctor's note and have both coaches and the hot mom at the table clear you.......

You mean I get to have the hot mom examine me? Oh boy. I hope she asks me to turn my head and cough!

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Well then, you can't referee again until you come back with a doctor's note and have both coaches and the hot mom at the table clear you.......

You ref in a different sphere than me...........ain't no hot moms at the tables where I ref. Just cranky old battle-axes and crones.