The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   New WIAA Regulation for next year (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/58021-new-wiaa-regulation-next-year.html)

chseagle Mon May 03, 2010 08:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 675632)
Based on what?

That is until I read differently, I'm just thinking common sense about when the clock should start after a time-out.

SCalScoreKeeper Mon May 03, 2010 08:39pm

Enjoy it!
 
I firmly believe in this rule change and it will not require additional training for clock operators-It needs to be adopted nationwide.

chseagle Mon May 03, 2010 08:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 675634)
I firmly believe in this rule change and it will not require additional training for clock operators-It needs to be adopted nationwide.

Unfortunately, you haven't seen some of the scoreboard operators/timers we have up here. Some are still thinking of rules/regulations from 5-10 years ago & using those.

I do everything I can to keep myself up to date on the new rules/regulations.

Adam Tue May 04, 2010 07:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 675633)
That is until I read differently, I'm just thinking common sense about when the clock should start after a time-out.

Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

To me, common sense would say to start the clock as soon as the ball becomes live following the events for which the clock stops. Basically, when the official starts his/her 5 second count for the throwin.

Others would say to start the clock as soon as the time out or free throw is over. Without official guidance, you'll get differing applications everywhere.

Note: this isn't a big deal either way, as you're only talking about, at most, a total of 10-20 seconds in a blowout game.

Raymond Tue May 04, 2010 08:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 675653)
Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

To me, common sense would say to start the clock as soon as the ball becomes live following the events for which the clock stops. Basically, when the official starts his/her 5 second count for the throwin.

Others would say to start the clock as soon as the time out or free throw is over. Without official guidance, you'll get differing applications everywhere.

Note: this isn't a big deal either way, as you're only talking about, at most, a total of 10-20 seconds in a blowout game.

I would say that unless stated otherwise the clock would start when it normally starts. The rule CHSEAGLE posted says when the clock is to stop. The rule did not state anything has changed as to when the clock is restarted.

Smitty Tue May 04, 2010 08:48am

With a 40+ point differential, is anybody going to really be splitting hairs on when the clock starts after a timeout? Must be the offseason...

bainsey Tue May 04, 2010 10:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 675653)
Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

How true. When some cry for "common sense," what they're really asking is, "How come everyone else doesn't think like I do?"

Having said that, I'm with CHS. Since the clock is always stopped on free throws anyway, why change chopping time in to something else we'd all have to memorize, including the table, coaches, etc.? I see simplicity in keeping things as is, unless we're told otherwise.

Camron Rust Tue May 04, 2010 11:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 675653)
Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

To me, it falls to the rules we already have that specify when the clock starts after a timeout unless they've provided new rules about when to start the clock.

Adam Tue May 04, 2010 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 675683)
To me, it falls to the rules we already have that specify when the clock starts after a timeout unless they've provided new rules about when to start the clock.

This makes sense, too.

To me, the running clock rule changes things. The clock is to run except for the exceptions (timeouts and free throws). When the exceptions are over, the clock should run again.

Again, it's not worth any heart ache since the number of seconds at stake is so small.

rockyroad Tue May 04, 2010 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 675685)
This makes sense, too.

To me, the running clock rule changes things. The clock is to run except for the exceptions (timeouts and free throws). When the exceptions are over, the clock should run again.

Again, it's not worth any heart ache since the number of seconds at stake is so small.

My question would be: When does the clock STOP? Clock will not stop on the whistle for a foul, but will be stopped during free throws. Soooo...I blow whistle for foul, give preliminary signals, run to reporting area, report foul and say "2 shots." Clock stops then? Clock stops when we administer the ball to shooter? Clock stops when preliminary is given at the spot? When exactly will the clock operator STOP the running clock?

Rich Tue May 04, 2010 12:14pm

I guess I never understood the need for a mercy rule in a game with a clock.

But thank goodness we have one in baseball.

SCalScoreKeeper Tue May 04, 2010 12:25pm

Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!

rockyroad Tue May 04, 2010 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 675690)
Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!

I would assume it would also stop for an injury or blood on the court. I really don't get why WA had to add the free throw part of it...they only have 10 seconds to stand there anyway.

SCalScoreKeeper Tue May 04, 2010 02:24pm

Yeah-I thought that went without saying but it does stop on any official's whistle for injury or blood on the floor.

Adam Tue May 04, 2010 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 675690)
Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!

Here in the land of little oxygen, our metro league voted to adopt the mercy rule at the JV level only.
30 points or more in the 2nd half.
It does not stop for free throws.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:59am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1