NCAA Rules that NFHS or State Associations should try out?

[chseagle]

My reasoning for asking about what rules from NCAA that the NFHS &/or State Associations should adopt is cause of the fact that I had heard after Washington State added the Boys' Shot Clock, it was to better prepare the players to college play. By adopting the NCAA rules for high school play, the players would not be at a disadvantage when it came to playing at the college level, & you'd see more Freshmen playing college level than you do now.

Concerning the questions about the stoppage of clock in final minute after made basket & having to add time, not all scoreboard controls have the capability to do the tenths of a second entry (the operator has to input the next second higher & be precise on when to stop the time).

How many of the rules/regulations that the NCAA uses do the NBA, WNBA, & FIBA use?

As I see it the rules should be universal throughout all levels.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chseagle

As I see it the rules should be universal throughout all levels.

I agree. Second graders should not be allowed to do any pregame dunkng. All officials should strictly enforce this rule. I don't care if they cry when you "T" 'em up.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree. Second graders should not be allowed to do any pregame dunkng. All officials should strictly enforce this rule. I don't care if they cry when you "T" 'em up.

And it would be OK for a second-grade player to call you a mofo, just like the NBE players.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And it would be OK for a second-grade player to call you a mofo, just like the NBE players.

just like the NBE Players that get fined for such actions, what would the fine be like if a 2nd grader did such a thing?? No recess for a week, no allowance for a month??

Let the punishment fir the crime LMAO.

On a serious note, by having everyone playing under the same rules/guidelines/regulations, more fair play would be happening in every game as everyone would have an equal chance to win or lose, no matter the level.

Of course, there would be the disparities because of different people having different skill/experience levels, as is always the norm.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

On a serious note, by having everyone playing under the same rules/guidelines/regulations, more fair play would be happening in every game as everyone would have an equal chance to win or lose, no matter the level.

One has nothing to do with the other. As long as both teams are playing by the same rules, they both have the same chance to win.

Would identical rules for all be ideal? Perhaps, but maybe not. NFHS has different priorities than the NBA. Hell, baseball doesn't even have the same rules across the board, neither does football. And with basketball, you also add in FIBA just for fun.

And we haven't even discussed the fact that rec leagues will differ on which adaptations they add (running clocks, no press, no free throws, move the FT shooters up, one T is ejection, etc.) to support their different priorities and philosophies.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree. Second graders should not be allowed to do any pregame dunkng. All officials should strictly enforce this rule. I don't care if they cry when you "T" 'em up.

LMAO How many 2nd graders can actually dunk?

Another reason why I am asking is cause of the fact that (OT as it's another sport) bowling here in the US is under one overall governing body for all levels. So everyone is under the same rules/guidelines no matter the experience level when it comes to league play/tournaments.

I can see there being rules differences for street ball or unofficiated "wreck" ball, but for officiated play everyone should be playing under the same rules.

I realize this may seem unfair to the grade school aged youth, however they have to learn somehow.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by chseagle

My reasoning for asking about what rules from NCAA that the NFHS &/or State Associations should adopt is cause of the fact that I had heard after Washington State added the Boys' Shot Clock, it was to better prepare the players to college play. By adopting the NCAA rules for high school play, the players would not be at a disadvantage when it came to playing at the college level, & you'd see more Freshmen playing college level than you do now.

Concerning the questions about the stoppage of clock in final minute after made basket & having to add time, not all scoreboard controls have the capability to do the tenths of a second entry (the operator has to input the next second higher & be precise on when to stop the time).

How many of the rules/regulations that the NCAA uses do the NBA, WNBA, & FIBA use?

As I see it the rules should be universal throughout all levels.

While i am all in favor of a unified rules set, you arguments for doing so have no merit. There will be the same number of spots open on college teams each year...changing to a shot clock doesn't make teams have more openings. Perhpas you were refering to having more of the existing freshman playing more time...not help there either as the sophomores/juniors/seniors will still be more experienced and shot clock familiarity is certainly not the biggest factor in playing time.

How many possessions, in an average HS game, do you really see lasting more than 35 seconds w/o a shot? Very few. I've worked many games that would have never come close to a shot clock violation. The shot clock will only affect a small number of players/games anyway.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While i am all in favor of a unified rules set, you arguments for doing so have no merit. There will be the same number of spots open on college teams each year...changing to a shot clock doesn't make teams have more openings. Perhpas you were refering to having more of the existing freshman playing more time...not help there either as the sophomores/juniors/seniors will still be more experienced and shot clock familiarity is certainly not the biggest factor in playing time.

How many possessions, in an average HS game, do you really see lasting more than 35 seconds w/o a shot? Very few. I've worked many games that would have never come close to a shot clock violation. The shot clock will only affect a small number of players/games anyway.

Cameron,

Here in Washington State, before the shot clock was adopted, there were several games (both regular season & post-season games) that would of had very different outcomes had the shot clock been in use. I've seen it happen when I was Boys' Basketball Manager as well as a bystander, when a team would just pass the ball around for a minute or more without even making a shot attempt just to tire out the defense or run out the clock cause of their lead.

Yes now on average, the offensive plays last maybe 20 seconds on average, however the shot clock has caused the game to be faster paced. Before the shot clock, the plays averaged about 30-35 seconds (except on fast breaks or poor defense).

Concerning freshmen playing on college squads, sure experience counts, however how can a person not get experience unless they are allowed to play under those rules from the very beginning.

How often are the best players not those with experience but with the drive & determination to learn to better both themselves & the team (to gain more experience)? Freshman, as well as sophmores have more to prove to both the team as a whole, & the coach. They are less experienced, but they are wanting to play for the team & the coach. Juniors & Seniors have basically proven themselves, so more often than not, they're playing to just better themselves, not the team.

[Reffing Rev.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

How many possessions, in an average HS game, do you really see lasting more than 35 seconds w/o a shot? Very few. I've worked many games that would have never come close to a shot clock violation. The shot clock will only affect a small number of players/games anyway.

This season I worked a game, the H team was unranked, V team ranked in top 10. H team played hard and was only down by three halfway through the 2nd quarter, when their best player picked up his 2nd foul and coach put him on the bench. Then, down by 3 with 4:13 on the clock their guard got the ball and stood just across the division line until there was 10 seconds left, then they ran an isolation for last shot.

And you know the best part the V team was complaining the whole time but not willing to come within 16 feet much less 6 feet to do anything about it.

IMO if officials could figure out how far 6 feet really is, we'd have no need for a shot clock.

(That was the easiest 4 minutes of basketball I've ever officiated)