NCAA Rules that NFHS or State Associations should try out?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

As far as primary vs. secondary, the on-ball defender is the primary defender, and everyone else is secondary unless I'm misunderstanding it.

That's the basic gist. I see three flaws with a restrictive area:

*More unnecessary rulebook venacular. Rule 4 of NFHS would have to add the definition of a "secondary defender," plus Rule 10 would to make clear what charging fouls cannot exist in the area. I'm also curious how you define the primary defender when a forward is double-teamed (or even triple).
*"Who was his man?" Once you've established the the defender had LGP at the point of contact, you have to ask yourself if he was guarding that person the whole time. I doubt we're going to catch that all the time. Why should we care who was guarding whom, anyway? The matchups are not our concern.
*The Big One: The existing rules cover the need. All defenders are entitled to their spot on the floor. If you're looking for LGP, and you're looking for when a shooter becomes airborne, you have all you need to make an accurate ruling.

Anytime a rule change is considered, it's best to ask what someone is trying to accomplish with it. I still don't see what a restrictive area will do that's already covered by the rules.

[Anchor]

Rules like restricted area, clock stoppage under a minute, etc., are not for team or game betterment, but to showcase individual talent and for the fans. NFHS is the last true bastion of amateur basketball (NCAA has accepted its role as farm teams for the NBA). For 75% or so of the players there is no realistic next level. Why should we ruin a perfectly good game for the majority to cater to a relatively small minority and fans?

As far as rules changes (not NCAA or anywhere else that I know of), the one I would like to see brought in would be that any baseline throw-in away from your basket you can run the line. All other throw-ins (side; baseline under your basket) would remain spot throws. Certainly save on any argumentation on "was it a spot or a run?"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Rules like restricted area, clock stoppage under a minute, etc., are not for team or game betterment, but to showcase individual talent and for the fans. NFHS is the last true bastion of amateur basketball (NCAA has accepted its role as farm teams for the NBA). For 75% or so of the players there is no realistic next level. Why should we ruin a perfectly good game for the majority to cater to a relatively small minority and fans?

As far as rules changes (not NCAA or anywhere else that I know of), the one I would like to see brought in would be that any baseline throw-in away from your basket you can run the line. All other throw-ins (side; baseline under your basket) would remain spot throws. Certainly save on any argumentation on "was it a spot or a run?"

When is there *ever* an argument on this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

When is there *ever* an argument on this?

Good question.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

When is there *ever* an argument on this?

Only when there is a violation, and then you get ripped a new one by your assignor because your point to the floor didn't show up on video as crisp as he thought it should, or the thrower was looking away when grabbing the ball from you, or whatever.

Plus you shouldn't have to answer that annoying question everyone should know the answer to--"can I run?"--since the answer is obvious: baseline away yes; everywhere else no.

Not a hill I'm ready to die on, however.

[Pantherdreams]

Below is list of rule modifications for 2010 coming in at FIBA level 1 (world championship level). As of 2012 they will be at all FIBA levels this will include high school, middle school and down age class for all ages. What do you think?

Art. 2.2.3 Free-throw lines and restricted areas

The restricted areas shall be the floor rectangle areas marked on the playing court.

The restricted (three-second) area shall be a rectangle (not anymore a trapezoid) as per Diagram 1 below.

Art. 2.2.4 Three-point field goal area

The distance of the three-point line shall be 6,75 m (and not 6,25 m as present).

Art. 2.2.6 Throw-in side lines

The two (2) small lines shall be marked outside the court, on the opposite side of the scorer’s table and the team bench areas, with the outer edge at the distance of 8,325 m from the inside edge of the end lines; in other words, level to the top of the three-point line.

During the last two (2) minutes of the game and of the extra period, following the time-out granted to the team that has been entitled to the possession of the ball from its backcourt, the subsequent throw-in will be taken on the opposite side of the scorer’s table from the “throw-in side line” and not as presently from the centre line extended.

Art. 2.2.7 No-charge semicircles

The no-charge semicircles shall be marked on the playing court, under the baskets. The distance of the inner edge of the semicircles shall be 1,25 m from the centre of the basket (on the floor).

A charging (offensive) foul should never be called if the contact by the offensive player is with the defensive player standing within the no-charge semicircle.

Art. 29 Twenty-four seconds

If the throw-in is to be administered in the backcourt, if required by the respective rules, the 24 second device shall be reset to 24 seconds.

If the throw-in is to be administered in the frontcourt, if required by the respective rules, the 24-second device shall be reset as follows:

- If 14 seconds or more are displayed on the 24-second device at the time the game was stopped, the 24-second device shall not be reset and shall remain the same.

- If 13 seconds or less are displayed on the 24-second device at the time the game was stopped, the 24-second device shall be reset to 14 seconds.

For a clearer visualization of the first four changes above, please refer to the Diagram 1.

[bradfordwilkins]

Where is Diagram 1?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

Where is Diagram 1?

Are you talking about this one DIAGRAM :: Diagram #1: Comparison of Notation from Figure #2 and Figure #3?

Or this one http://www.outdoorphotogear.com/blog..._Diagram_1.gif?

[chseagle]

My reasoning for asking about what rules from NCAA that the NFHS &/or State Associations should adopt is cause of the fact that I had heard after Washington State added the Boys' Shot Clock, it was to better prepare the players to college play. By adopting the NCAA rules for high school play, the players would not be at a disadvantage when it came to playing at the college level, & you'd see more Freshmen playing college level than you do now.

Concerning the questions about the stoppage of clock in final minute after made basket & having to add time, not all scoreboard controls have the capability to do the tenths of a second entry (the operator has to input the next second higher & be precise on when to stop the time).

How many of the rules/regulations that the NCAA uses do the NBA, WNBA, & FIBA use?

As I see it the rules should be universal throughout all levels.

[eyezen]

I would be an advocate for having the clock stop under a minute. Seems counter intuitive but it would help speed up the last minute of some games under certain scenarios where it would preclude the need to take a TO or worse TOs plural for solely getting the clock stopped. The rest would take about the same. I cant see where it would take longer that would be of any great consequence.

Originally Posted by Anchor

Rules like restricted area, clock stoppage under a minute, etc., are not for team or game betterment, but to showcase individual talent and for the fans. "

Please explain as it pertains to the bolded part?

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the basic gist. I see three flaws with a restrictive area:

*More unnecessary rulebook venacular. Rule 4 of NFHS would have to add the definition of a "secondary defender," plus Rule 10 would to make clear what charging fouls cannot exist in the area. I'm also curious how you define the primary defender when a forward is double-teamed (or even triple).
*"Who was his man?" Once you've established the the defender had LGP at the point of contact, you have to ask yourself if he was guarding that person the whole time. I doubt we're going to catch that all the time. Why should we care who was guarding whom, anyway? The matchups are not our concern.
*The Big One: The existing rules cover the need. All defenders are entitled to their spot on the floor. If you're looking for LGP, and you're looking for when a shooter becomes airborne, you have all you need to make an accurate ruling.

Anytime a rule change is considered, it's best to ask what someone is trying to accomplish with it. I still don't see what a restrictive area will do that's already covered by the rules.

You're right in that there would have to be an added definition in Rule 4 and Rule 10 would have to be modified, but I don't think it would be as drastic a change as you make it sound out to be. The NCAA rule book doesn't read drastically different even with the new definitions this year.

Now who would be the primary defender on a double team, I'm not exactly sure. Maybe it'd be the defender who's LGP was in the path of the player? Perhaps those who use NCAA rules more often could answer that question. Really though, the plays where this issue come to mind are dribble drives or fast breaks where it's easy to determine primary vs. secondary.

I wouldn't expect NFHS to implement any of these rules in the near future. I think if/when NCAA keeps/extends the restricted area, there will be more pressure to do so at the NF level, but that would be down the road. Either way I'm fine with the way the rule is now, but I wouldn't care a bit if it changed.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Now who would be the primary defender on a double team, I'm not exactly sure.

Both are. The number of primary defenders isn't limited to one. Anyone actively guarding a player is primary defender. A secondary defender is not directly guarding the opponent but the play comes to them (or they set up in a spot to have the play come to them if the primary defender(s) get beat.