Xavier vs Kansas State

[WhistlesAndStripes]

I love having a DVR.

Just went back and reviewed the play in question. It appeared that the Kansas State player knocked the ball towards the backcourt. As the ball went into the backcourt, the Xavier player reached for and missed the ball while it was still in the air, the ball then bounced in the backcourt, and then the Xavier player recovered it in the backcourt.

Based on that, I think it was a correct no-call.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I love having a DVR.

Just went back and reviewed the play in question. It appeared that the Kansas State player knocked the ball towards the backcourt. As the ball went into the backcourt, the Xavier player reached for and missed the ball while it was still in the air, the ball then bounced in the backcourt, and then the Xavier player recovered it in the backcourt.

Based on that, I think it was a correct no-call.

DVR=win

I too went back and saw the play. The Xavier player was awfully to touching it in the backcourt but I agree with a good no call.

[Rich]

The "gotcha" aspects of some of the more weird backcourt violations is the one rule change I would put through. I would eliminate all these violations, including the one where B knocked the ball off A into the backcourt.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The "gotcha" aspects of some of the more weird backcourt violations is the one rule change I would put through. I would eliminate all these violations, including the one where B knocked the ball off A into the backcourt.

How specifically would you word the rule compared to what it is right now?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How specifically would you word the rule compared to what it is right now?

I think that would be the biggest problem.

Peace

[just another ref]

The one I thought was missed was in the last two minutes of regulation. The K State player batted/threw the ball into backcourt off a rebound where it was recovered by a teammate. He had both hands on the ball, looked like control to me. Apparently the guys that count disagreed.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The one I thought was missed was in the last two minutes of regulation. The K State player batted/threw the ball into backcourt off a rebound where it was recovered by a teammate. He had both hands on the ball, looked like control to me. Apparently the guys that count disagreed.

I think Xavier touched it just before K-State's player recovered it in the BC. I watched it again on DVR and that had to be what it was. If not, they kicked it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The one I thought was missed was in the last two minutes of regulation. The K State player batted/threw the ball into backcourt off a rebound where it was recovered by a teammate. He had both hands on the ball, looked like control to me. Apparently the guys that count disagreed.

What has "both hands on the ball" have to do with anything? That's completely irrelevant when it comes to determining whether player control has been established. The only criteria to be used is whether the ball came to rest in either one or both hands of any player.

And imo in that particular play it didn't. Always a judgment call.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How specifically would you word the rule compared to what it is right now?

First try (early in the morning, no coffee):

"If B touches the ball it is not a backcourt violation if A doesn't re-establish PLAYER control in the frontcourt."

I'm sure this would cause problems (as someone will point out) but that's my starting point. It would eliminate the "hit the ball out of A's hands, off A's leg, into the backcourt, violation".