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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 03:48pm
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refs even at the nba and college still make that mistakes. I remember in my first couple of years I was mixing up really obvious out of bounds calls like you are. Now it is a minor issue so exp helps. Before the game and in the first minute I'll tell myself something like White going this way, Red the way and point. When the ball goes out of bounds just mentally get it right and signal. It doesn't need to be really fast. I'm sure others will have better ideas but it is something that gets easier with experience.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 03:55pm
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Before the game and in the first minute I'll tell myself something like White going this way, Red the way and point.
Yeah, I've been doing that and you're right, it seems to help. I just like the idea of being quick AND right (ya know, decisive for the sell ) and am hoping that someone has that magic mental key so that when the stuff starts to fly I can be "auto man."
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:08pm
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Stop saying the color, just point.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:24pm
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Or just always yell, "GRAY"! Hey - it's neutral.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:40pm
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Stop saying the color, just point.
Really?

It is the saying of the color that is usually the most reliable.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:50pm
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Even after years of doing this, I'll sneak a quick peek at the bench early in the game once in a while. They're going opposite the benches the first half, towards them the second half.

Yesterday, an NCAA game tipped with the R losing track of which way the teams were going -- he ended up being the C tableside and U2 filled in. You could see the R tapping his chest and saying, "my bad." Happens. Shrug.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 05:36pm
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Even after years of doing this, I'll sneak a quick peek at the bench early in the game once in a while. They're going opposite the benches the first half, towards them the second half.
Good advice. I occasionally use this method myself.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 05:54pm
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Thanks for all the good perspectives

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far (keep 'em coming). Does anyone have an issue and/or strategy to deal with the tunneling in that I mentioned earlier?

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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:54pm
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Really?

It is the saying of the color that is usually the most reliable.
Sorry, I should have elaborated. When I quit saying the color, it made me focus on the directional signal and they came more quickly.
Now, like Rich, I often have to take a peak at the bench as I'm ready to point. Sometimes, if it's a close play and waiting will look bad, I'll say the color as I look to the bench.

It's just a tool I used to get quicker at the directional signal.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:57pm
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Sorry, I should have elaborated. When I quit saying the color, it made me focus on the directional signal and they came more quickly.
Now, like Rich, I often have to take a peak at the bench as I'm ready to point. Sometimes, if it's a close play and waiting will look bad, I'll say the color as I look to the bench.

It's just a tool I used to get quicker at the directional signal.
I try to delay a bit on every call. If I do feel the need to grab a peek, it looks no different than any other call. Whistle, short delay, point.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 04:56pm
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Stop saying the color, just point.
For whatever it's worth, I've been told to always verbalize the color. Perhaps it's a "location" thing, so find out how they want it done in your area. And, if you state a color, don't say, "Off white, red ball". Most players and coaches will only hear the first color verbalized, and that can cause unnecessary confusion.

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I just like the idea of being quick AND right (ya know, decisive for the sell ) and am hoping that someone has that magic mental key so that when the stuff starts to fly I can be "auto man."
This may be part of the problem; you don't need to "sell" all your calls and be so quick. The same reason applies here as it does for deciding foul calls - just like a patient whistle helps you see the play and more likely to get it right, a slight hesitation will give you that extra time to realize the right color and get the direction correct. In fact, most of the time it should be the same timing as when you call the "obvious" ones. Save the quick and dramatic calls only for the closest calls at the most important part of the game.

When I've had a problem with pointing the proper direction is usually at the beginning of a game or half, when I try to be too quick with the point while verbalizing the color. I've gotten away from that problem by blowing the whistle, saying, "Red!", then taking a half second or so to check out the direction, then point. (Well, then there's my other problem when the teams are actually white and blue... )
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 07:32pm
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Stop saying the color, just point.
I have found myself doing this as well, but with a twist. I was watching an evaluator I had at a camp do a game and they would say "Stay Here" if the ball was staying or just point or point and say "That way" if going the other direction. I asked them what their thought process was, and they said it was for a couple of reasons. 1. THEY sometimes mixed up the colors 2. They said that with some uniform colors not being "typical" (red, blue, black white) it was easier than saying Purple, Magenta or any of the other 118 colors in the Crayola box.
I've stolen that little mechanic and have not had any negative feedback. But like always see what your assignors WANT and go from there.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 07:50pm
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I've found myself using the "that way" or "stay here" verbage on occasion, but I'm not fond of it personally. I must have picked it up from someone, but couldn't say who it was.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 07:50pm
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Just to add to this. There are times where I notice the defense tipped it last, but didn't really think of which color is going which way, so I just point, then look around and say the color. Other times, particularly during scrambles, I'll yell the color, peak to benches and point...

I don't think anybody really notices but us. You have to delay pretty considerably before anybody would notice anything out of the ordinary.
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Old Sat Mar 20, 2010, 08:36pm
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Stop saying the color, just point.
no, No, NO! ALWAYS say the color. In my opinion, this is not debatable.

We can live with pointing wrong. Worst case is a couple of players look at you funny, you correct it, and go on. If you don't say the color, you look like you are giving in to a player asking you to change the call.
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