IMO, they were wrong and shouldn't come back.

[constable]

Originally Posted by Odd Duck

Let me preface this by stating that we in Texas spent the entire season hearing from the UIL how important it was that we knew the rules and how to properly enforce them at all times. Lack of proper rules knowledge simply would not be tolerated.

Fast forward to last Saturday. Team A and the officiating crew are on the floor before the start of the 1A state championship game. Team B comes running out with just under 10 minutes on the clock before the start of the game. The second player in their lay-up drill (call him B1) decides that dunk is called for and appropriate...in fact, it was a nice dunk and got a nice reaction from the crowd. The umpire clearly saw the dunk. How, you may ask, do I believe that to be true from my seat in the stands? Because he immediately walked over to the player, put his hand on his back and talked to him. I assumed he was informing the player he had been assessed a techinical foul and getting his number for recording purposes. However, game time arrived and it started with the normal toss.

IMO, the officials in this crew (with the possible exception of the other umpire) should not be rewarded with future state tournament assignments. What are your thoughts.

For the record, I did not attend any of the schools playing at the state tournament last weekend. I do not know anyone who has attended any of those schools and in fact, have never even been to any of those campuses. We just go down to Austin each year for three days of non-stop basketball.

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by constable

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

In our region, they advise us to warm first. Then T them.

When did having to worry about whether a techical foul would piss anybody off become a factor in whether that call should be made or not?

Weird local philosophy imo.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

When did having to worry about whether a techical foul would piss anybody off become a factor in whether that call should be made or not?Only when the coach is your wife!

Weird local philosophy imo.

Agree, once players figure this out they will dunk until warned.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

Agree, once players figure this out they will dunk until warned.

And to be consistent, if you warn one player, you have to warn every player...on both teams. You could have a whole bunch of warm-up dunks, couldn't you?

Silly monkeys....

[FrankHtown]

If you read this month's Referee you will understand some of the frustrations among officials in Texas. We were told by a UIL official that high school mechanics would be enforced, yet at the state tournament I saw thumbs down for 30 second time out reporting: handing the ball to the thrower on side line throw-ins: two finger pointing. Now in and of itself, it's no big deal, but when you preach one thing, and allow another, it creates all kinds of confusion and doubts.

I'm in Houston.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

If you read this month's Referee you will understand some of the frustrations among officials in Texas. We were told by a UIL official that high school mechanics would be enforced, yet at the state tournament I saw thumbs down for 30 second time out reporting: handing the ball to the thrower on side line throw-ins: two finger pointing. Now in and of itself, it's no big deal, but when you preach one thing, and allow another, it creates all kinds of confusion and doubts.

I'm in Houston.

I thought the bounce was optional for these.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

i thought the bounce was optional for these.

+1

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I thought the bounce was optional for these.

Actually, it is even recommended for sideline throw-ins.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

two finger pointing.

I know. This upsets me, too. I always use just one finger, especially with coaches.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

If you read this month's Referee you will understand some of the frustrations among officials in Texas. We were told by a UIL official that high school mechanics would be enforced, yet at the state tournament I saw thumbs down for 30 second time out reporting: handing the ball to the thrower on side line throw-ins: two finger pointing. Now in and of itself, it's no big deal, but when you preach one thing, and allow another, it creates all kinds of confusion and doubts.

I'm in Houston.

Perhaps the mechanics were enforced as part of the whole picture. Perfect signals do not make up for poor calls. And, just becasue you saw non-approved mechanics doesn't mean they were not considered...I'd bet they were considered in concert with all other aspects of the games.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

two finger pointing.

I must admit that I do this.

That and sometimes failing to put my arm straight up to stop the clock prior to pointing direction when calling an OOB are about the only non-federation mechanics of which I am guilty.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I must admit that I do this.

That and sometimes failing to put my arm straight up to stop the clock prior to pointing direction when calling an OOB are about the only non-federation mechanics of which I am guilty.

Are those the only mechanical deviations the rest of us are allowed without being called cowardly?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by constable

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

OK, so let me see if I have this right in your scenario:

- A1 knowingly dunks the ball.
- The Team/Coach know this is against the rules and understands the penalty.
- The referees rightfully enforce the rules and assess the penalty.

Team A gets pissed off and does what?

Referees call the game as always......I see no problems.

[constable]

Originally Posted by grunewar

OK, so let me see if I have this right in your scenario:

- A1 knowingly dunks the ball.
- The Team/Coach know this is against the rules and understands the penalty.
- The referees rightfully enforce the rules and assess the penalty.

Team A gets pissed off and does what?

Referees call the game as always......I see no problems.

I've said it before, and I will continue to say it that it is a foolish rule.I've heard the arguments about having to replace a backboard after a hard dunk during the warm ups but if that's the case should we not ban dunking period?

I think there are much bigger fish to fry.

I've said it. It's my opinion and that's all there is too it you can't fault me for stating my opinion, so no need to flame me.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by constable

Maybe the official's realized that whacking someone for dunking in the warm up is a great way to piss off an entire team.

Originally Posted by constable

I've said it before, and I will continue to say it that it is a foolish rule.I've heard the arguments about having to replace a backboard after a hard dunk during the warm ups but if that's the case should we not ban dunking period?

I think there are much bigger fish to fry.

I've said it. It's my opinion and that's all there is too it you can't fault me for stating my opinion, so no need to flame me.

Constable, I did not flame you.

My point was - there is a rule (like it or not), and as an official, I am not going to concern myself with "pissing off" (your words) an entire team for enforcing a rule that most, if not everyone, knows.

Should we not give an unsporting T's for taunting or chest thumping because it would "piss off" an entire team? Inappropriate Backboard slaps? Chinups on the rim? Intentional fouls? Enforcing these rules could "piss off" an entire team. Where do we draw the line?

You're entitled to your opinion. I respect it.

Me, in this case, WHACK! And the player and I are going over to the coach and HE is going to explain why the game will start off with the T and shooting foul shots.

JMO