Almost dunk

[Indianaref]

Interesting play from a year ago, YouTube - 12 Arizona vs. 5 Utah Highlights, Arizona-Utah game, check it out at about the 1:30 mark. Nobody knew what to do. Awkward moment for officials who looked lost.

[Nevadaref]

Very simple--offensive BI. Blow whistle and award possession to the opposing team at an OOB spot on the end line.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Very simple--offensive BI. Blow whistle and award possession to the opposing team at an OOB spot on the end line.

Had not thought about that, I agree, it meets the def of BI.

[commcoach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Very simple--offensive BI. Blow whistle and award possession to the opposing team at an OOB spot on the end line.

So you get a ball in the face, no basket, AND lose possession?? That sucks

[Adam]

Originally Posted by commcoach

So you get a ball in the face, no basket, AND lose possession?? That sucks

Don't forget the worst part:
No one to blame.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't forget the worst part:
No one to blame.

and lose by 2

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Very simple--offensive BI. Blow whistle and award possession to the opposing team at an OOB spot on the end line.

could I get your though prosses on this? Does it matter if his head is still in the net or not when it contacts the ball. what exactly has to happen for you to call this BI or not? thanks Nevada.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

could I get your though prosses on this? Does it matter if his head is still in the net or not when it contacts the ball. what exactly has to happen for you to call this BI or not? thanks Nevada.

As described, the ball was in contact with player while the ball was in the basket. That's BI.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

could I get your though prosses on this? Does it matter if his head is still in the net or not when it contacts the ball. what exactly has to happen for you to call this BI or not? thanks Nevada.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As described, the ball was in contact with player while the ball was in the basket. That's BI.

Yep, on the other hand; if the ball had gone all the way through the net before contacting the player, it would be nothing even if it bounced back up through the rim. In that case, the basket would count and the game would continue as normal.

[bmeansdfw]

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I'm just saying that the rim and plane should be determinate of a made basket, not the net--otherwise, we would need standard length nets installed on every goal to make sure the proverbial playing field was level across the board.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bmeansdfw

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I'm just saying that the rim and plane should be determinate of a made basket, not the net--otherwise, we would need standard length nets installed on every goal to make sure the proverbial playing field was level across the board.

Net lengths already have standard lengths

NCAA:
Rule 1, Section 13. Baskets—Size, Material
Art. 1. Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord, 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bmeansdfw

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I think this is a case where intent and purpose of the rules comes into play and I'm going out on a limb to say this wasn't it when this rule was written.

Was it intended (was it ever imagined?) that a player be penalized for bouncing a dunk off his own head? Probably not, but at least a player is punished for his own action in this case.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bmeansdfw

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I'm just saying that the rim and plane should be determinate of a made basket, not the net--otherwise, we would need standard length nets installed on every goal to make sure the proverbial playing field was level across the board.

People who aren't officials shouldn't be lecturing officials on rules. Feel free to write the NCAA rulesmakers with your vision of "The Way Things Ought To Be" though.

NFHS and NCAA rules are the same. If a live ball comes to rest and remains within the basket without passing through, the try is awarded. The same is true for free throw attempts. At that point, the ball becomes dead. Basket interference does not apply to dead balls. That's why any player(offensive or defensive) can legally "bump the ball out of the net" at that point without penalty. Hell, they could even bring you down from Row 163 Seat 46 to bump the ball out of the net at that point. It just doesn't matter.

And as already noted, nets are standardized by rule. And they are also quickly fixed or replaced if sticking problems do occur.

The rulesmakers have already covered situations like what happened in the Big 12 tournament, or at any other time that particular play may come up also. The playing field is level across the board.

Your version of "reality" is that of the typical fanboy. There's no actual rules knowledge involved but you're always willing to criticize that of which you have no clue.

It's that time of year.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bmeansdfw

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I'm just saying that the rim and plane should be determinate of a made basket, not the net--otherwise, we would need standard length nets installed on every goal to make sure the proverbial playing field was level across the board.

Like JR has said, you're comparing apples and oranges. There's a rule for when a goal scores, and it's when the ball passes through or remains in the net. Going halfway down and coming back out is not one of those two scenarios.

Maybe sometimes a two handed tomahawk outta control dunk isn't the best choice, huh?

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bmeansdfw

Sorry, but if any of you guys thinks that BI is the right call--not according to the textbook, but in reality--then you're all nuts.

Here's why.

If you watched the Big 12 tourney this week, you may have noticed that they installed new--and very stiff--nets. At least a dozen times, a ball came to rest in the bottom of the net. By your definition of BI, if an offensive player bumps the ball out of the net, it is offensive BI and the basket would be disallowed; however, if the defensive player does the same thing (to help out, he thinks), there is no call because the scorer and everyone else thinks the basket is good.

I'm just saying that the rim and plane should be determinate of a made basket, not the net--otherwise, we would need standard length nets installed on every goal to make sure the proverbial playing field was level across the board.

Sorry Bubba, but we can't call games based on what you think should be the rule. This one is cut and dry and no gray area. The ball by rule must clear the net. If the NCAA wanted it to be the "plane of the rim" they would write it as such.

I was at a Sweet 16 game at Texas University (My wife was an Aggie so I can't refer to it as The University of Texas ) when Duke was playing Michigan State a few years ago. Sheldon Williams had a break away dunk that hit his head while in the net and bounced back up and out never clearing the net. No basket... play on.

Thanks for playing though.