Coach leaves bench to sit in the stands.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

I totally agree. This is being discussed on another board and one poster insists that it is nothing. I can't buy that. At the very least, when he comes back, especially after "coaching" from the stands, it should be called as an unsporting foul.

And many have said that there is no rules coverage and that a T would not be appropriate. That is a fan site, this is an official's site. You should realize there is a difference in the comments.

Oh well.

Peace

[agr8zebra]

Let the HC make the decision for you. Go to HC, and ask who that person was who just joined his team huddle, if he says it is one of my assistance, T his AC up and sit the HC, if he says he fan, walk over to the administrator and have the fan removed from the gym.

[Illini_Ref]

And four (that's a majority) of the officials responding here feel that a technical foul COULD be issued.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

And four (that's a majority) of the officials responding here feel that a technical foul COULD be issued.

Brian,

Let me pull a little rank one you. I am not going to publish the email that was sent between another official and our head guy on this. But you are not a clinician with the State of Illinois. You are just an official. I am a clinician with the state of Illinois in basketball and one thing I have learned is to contact guys like Harry B (head clinician and head rules interpreter for the State of Illinois, who I also know very well and work for in both high school and college) or the IHSA office if I am not clear. The KG clarified what I basically said on this. KG made it clear that this could be handled by game management and suggests that this was the likely scenario as I had said originally and all along in our discussion over there.

There are not many people here that live in our state, but if this happens in their area I would suggest they do the same thing and contact the powers that be. And you have people that do not agree with you as to make the AC stay at the bench. They are handling the very same way I suggested as did the administrator of boys basketball. This is why I said to file a Special Report in the first place. Because it seems that the only people that took action to contact the IHSA was an official that did so based on a discussion board conversation. The officials on the game did not do so and certainly not the teams involved in the game in question. I also did not hear that the officials gave a T or even had the guy removed. So they did not even notice the behavior or decided to do nothing at all. You do not have to agree with me, but I stand by what I said and really do not see the big deal. When you work a game you are responsible for you actions or behavior and judgments. I have earned the right to take many positions and take action appropriately with the higher ups. I have never seen this nor do I feel this is a tragedy as you have made this out to be. Maybe you have not been in that position, but I have as an administrator. And I get asked all the time personally about situations and I contact those that know more than me what we should do so there is consistency.

[LSams]

had a similar situation one night in a JV game. Top row of the bleachers, opposite the table, during the first half sat a dad. The typical, loud, making a horses a** of himself dad. Nothing profane, just extra loud, extra dumb, extra annoying stuff.

Came out after half-time -- dad is now standing behind the team bench, and begins yelling at me. I calmly walk over to where he and the HC can hear me and say, "who are you?" He tries to power up and say, "uh, I'm an assistant coach." I look at the head coach to make sure he's paying attention, look back at the dad and say, "if you're now and AC, I'm now going to assess 2 technical fouls on you, penalize this team and have you removed from the gym."

At that point, the young HC looks at the dad and tells him in no uncertain terms to get his rear back to the others side of the gym and away from the bench. Didn't hear jack from him the rest of the night.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by LSams

...
Came out after half-time -- dad is now standing behind the team bench...

Does standing behind the bench make someone 'bench personnel'? I would think eventually some fan would tell him to sit his big butt down so they can see the game.

[LSams]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Does standing behind the bench make someone 'bench personnel'? I would think eventually some fan would tell him to sit his big butt down so they can see the game.

sorry -- there was no seating behind the bench/table area in this gym -- just a few extra feet and a wall. So no one was on that side of the floor that wasn't a part of the game.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

just to hi-light the FIBA rule...

Rule Three - Teams (OFFICIAL BASKETBALL RULES 2008)

Art 4. Teams

4.2 Rule
4.2.1 Each team shall consist of:
• No more than twelve (12) team members entitled to play, including a captain.
• A coach and, if a team wishes, an assistant coach.
• A maximum of five (5) team followers who may sit on the team bench and have
special responsibilities, e.g. manager, doctor, physiotherapist, statistician,
interpreter, etc.

Art. 7 Coaches: Duties and powers

7.3 The coaches and assistant coaches (as well as the substitutes, excluded players and team followers) are the only persons permitted to be and to remain within their team bench area, unless otherwise stated in these rules.

7.4 The coach and the assistant coach may go to the scorer’s table during the game to obtain statistical information only when the ball becomes dead and the game clock is stopped.

7.6 If there is an assistant coach his name must be entered on the scoresheet before the beginning of the game (his signature is not necessary). He shall assume all duties and powers of the coach if, for any reason, the coach is unable to continue.

So with the above under FIBA rules the only time an assistant coach may leave the team bench area legally is in 7.4. The AC in the stands would be a violation of the rules and should be dealt with accordingly.

Warn first & whack if the behavior continues.

[Illini_Ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Brian,

Let me pull a little rank one you. I am not going to publish the email that was sent between another official and our head guy on this. But you are not a clinician with the State of Illinois. You are just an official. I am a clinician with the state of Illinois in basketball and one thing I have learned is to contact guys like Harry B (head clinician and head rules interpreter for the State of Illinois, who I also know very well and work for in both high school and college) or the IHSA office if I am not clear. The KG clarified what I basically said on this. KG made it clear that this could be handled by game management and suggests that this was the likely scenario as I had said originally and all along in our discussion over there.

There are not many people here that live in our state, but if this happens in their area I would suggest they do the same thing and contact the powers that be. And you have people that do not agree with you as to make the AC stay at the bench. They are handling the very same way I suggested as did the administrator of boys basketball. This is why I said to file a Special Report in the first place. Because it seems that the only people that took action to contact the IHSA was an official that did so based on a discussion board conversation. The officials on the game did not do so and certainly not the teams involved in the game in question. I also did not hear that the officials gave a T or even had the guy removed. So they did not even notice the behavior or decided to do nothing at all. You do not have to agree with me, but I stand by what I said and really do not see the big deal. When you work a game you are responsible for you actions or behavior and judgments. I have earned the right to take many positions and take action appropriately with the higher ups. I have never seen this nor do I feel this is a tragedy as you have made this out to be. Maybe you have not been in that position, but I have as an administrator. And I get asked all the time personally about situations and I contact those that know more than me what we should do so there is consistency.

My name is not Brian. Sorry.