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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 09:18am
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Actually, There Is A Choice Here ???
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A up by two points, five seconds left, A1 shooting two foul shots. A1 misses first shot, and yells sh-- for the entire gym to hear because he is mad at himself. No choice but to T.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 01:18pm
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Let the games begin.
This is a tough one. in most cases i do not think that THIS specific word is all that bad. either way I would probably ask my assignor or local association how they would want THIS one handled. I personally would not call this (depends on the level of course - sportsmanship is a sliding scale to some degree and varies by age and level) and it is NOT automatic.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 02:19pm
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It is NOT automatic.
Agree. But I also believe that it is NOT not automatic in some situations (crowd noise, level of game, previous language problems, volume, etc.).
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 02:22pm
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They would want THIS one handled.
I think that you misread the original post. They would want this one handed.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 03:06pm
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I think that you misread the original post. They would want this one handed.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 02:23pm
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If he yells that word "loud enough for the whole gym to hear," you T him up just for ignorance.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 02:46pm
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This is a tough one. in most cases i do not think that THIS specific word is all that bad. either way I would probably ask my assignor or local association how they would want THIS one handled. I personally would not call this (depends on the level of course - sportsmanship is a sliding scale to some degree and varies by age and level) and it is NOT automatic.

When the whole gym hears it it is an automatic WHACK at all levels (youth, jr. H.S., H.S., and college).

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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 03:07pm
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When the whole gym hears it it is an automatic WHACK at all levels (youth, jr. H.S., H.S., and college).

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Mark, is this your personal feeling on the subject or is this the general consensus?
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Mark, is this your personal feeling on the subject or is this the general consensus?

I would be greatly disappointed in any official who would have a problem in charging a player with a TF in this circumstance. This is even a TF in Special Olympics.

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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 04:34pm
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OK, I see everyone's point about this word not being automatic, and I agree.

However, this is a church sponsored rec league- I really had no choice. The league specifically prohibits profanity in the league charter.

However, I think I would have called this in a HS game as well, based on volume and timing. It was just too loud and at that point in time every eye in the gym was on him.
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However, this is a church sponsored league.
Now, with more information in hand, it's an automatic automatic.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 08:07pm
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I would be greatly disappointed in any official who would have a problem in charging a player with a TF in this circumstance. This is even a TF in Special Olympics.

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MTD - consider yourself disappointed in me...'cause I'm not calling that in a HS and definitely not in a college game.

imho an official has to ask himself/herself this question: "who was the unsportsman-like conduct directed towards?" certainly not an official, or opposing player, or coach, or fan...therefore, i'm not calling that...
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 08:20pm
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An official has to ask himself/herself this question: "who was the unsportsmanlike conduct directed towards?" certainly not an official, or opposing player, or coach, or fan...therefore, I'm not calling that...
High school game. I kind'a agree, but for me it would come down to just how loud it was, and just how loud the crowd was. Not so loud in a crowded, loud, gym. Pass. Really loud in a gym with a few quiet people. Technical.

Even in the first case, I wouldn't ignore it, but would say a few words to the player discouraging him from doing it again.
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Old Sun Mar 07, 2010, 11:00pm
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MTD - consider yourself disappointed in me...'cause I'm not calling that in a HS and definitely not in a college game.

imho an official has to ask himself/herself this question: "who was the unsportsman-like conduct directed towards?" certainly not an official, or opposing player, or coach, or fan...therefore, i'm not calling that...
Replace the profanity with the player slamming the ball down in frustration, whiffing on the "catch" as the ball comes up off the ground and it ends up 15 feet above the floor..........


We're shooting fouls shots in each situation.
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MTD - consider yourself disappointed in me...'cause I'm not calling that in a HS and definitely not in a college game.

imho an official has to ask himself/herself this question: "who was the unsportsman-like conduct directed towards?" certainly not an official, or opposing player, or coach, or fan...therefore, i'm not calling that...
We've been very clearly instructed by the state that it doesn't matter whether it was directed at an official or not; profanity is a T. Is it automatic? No, but the situation presented in the OP would have been a no-brainer in a HS varsity game here.

The rules don't say unsporting conduct has to be "directed" anywhere.
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