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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by beverly100

according to the story, the head coach and the assistant was ejected from the game. The team has no coach, so they walk off the court. A dad comes out of the stands to sit on the bench and brings the team back in to play, but by that point the refs are gone. one of the refs was guarded during the game. the game is called with two min. left to play. should the refs have stayed or is it against rules for team to finish game with no coach?

The specific rules about who is allowed to "coach" are state specific.

Once the team leaves, I am out of there.

If they want to finish the game, that's up to the state (I personally wouldn't allow it).

I have no idea why a ref would be "guarded" during the game, or what it has to do with this situation.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I have no idea why a ref would be "guarded" during the game, or what it has to do with this situation.

Bob - According to the post, at one point the digruntled coach had "one player face guarding the ref for about five possessions straight."

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Bob - According to the post, at one point the digruntled coach had "one player face guarding the ref for about five possessions straight."

This evokes the old chestnut where the coach directs his best defender to play box-and-one defense everywhere against 'the most dangerous person on the court'.

[KCRC]

If I was being face guarded in a box and 1, I would signal to my partner to come set a screen to free me up for a "better look"

Seriously, if it actually happened I cannot believe a coach instructed a player to "guard" an official as if to suggest that his team was playing 5 on 8. An unsporting technical should be immediate.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Bob - According to the post, at one point the digruntled coach had "one player face guarding the ref for about five possessions straight."

And after the first possession, the coach would have been in the locker room.

Easy Flagrant T. I might add an unsporting Tech for the player if I was in a bad enough mood.

[Welpe]

Agreed. Fire up the T kettle for that one.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And after the first possession, the coach would have been in the locker room.

Easy Flagrant T. I might add an unsporting Tech for the player if I was in a bad enough mood.

you would have been in a bad mood.....

[Judtech]

I may be wrong, and if I am I have a sneaking suspicion I will find out soon, but at least around here we are not allowed to call a game a forfeit. Officials note the time and verify the score in the book. All forfeits are up to the state league and the schools.
While not having been there I would think it would be pretty obvious that the player was intentionally face guarding an official. I would ask the player for an explaination, tell him it probably is not a good idea, and if he did it again, the player would get a "T". At that point the coach would have a VERY short leash. I can see the coach telling me that HE told the player to guard me, whichwould then be a very nice opportunity to "T" the coach as well and do his best Elvis imitation and "leave the building"!
As for a Box + 1, I am a bigger fan of the Triangle + 2 but to each their own!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I may be wrong, and if I am I have a sneaking suspicion I will find out soon, but at least around here we are not allowed to call a game a forfeit. Officials note the time and verify the score in the book. All forfeits are up to the state league and the schools.
While not having been there I would think it would be pretty obvious that the player was intentionally face guarding an official. I would ask the player for an explaination, tell him it probably is not a good idea, and if he did it again, the player would get a "T". At that point the coach would have a VERY short leash. I can see the coach telling me that HE told the player to guard me, whichwould then be a very nice opportunity to "T" the coach as well.

That coach just accused you of cheating. If a player is face guarding you, you can guarantee the coach told him to do it; guaranteed, no need to ask. Personally, I'm going flagrant on this. If you want to issue a standard T, fine. But there is no leash any longer, he's either sitting quietly the rest of the game or he's already in the locker room. No 2nd chances on this one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

you would have been in a bad mood.....

You should see my next post.

[doubleringer]

They can try to face guard me all they want. They can't stop me, they can only hope to try to contain me.

Sounds to me like the coaching staff should be less worried about finishing the game and more worried about keeping their jobs. Any decent school system would send them packing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

They can try to face guard me all they want. They can't stop me, they can only hope to try to contain me.

I barely missed my monitor after this!

As for the coach and player, they're getting the 2-for-1 special. And coach is done for the night.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by Judtech

As for a Box + 1, I am a bigger fan of the Triangle + 2 but to each their own!!

Years ago I volunteered and coached 11-13 year olds at the local JCC and we ran a 1-3-1 to great success.