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Old Mon Feb 15, 2010, 01:47pm
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24 second shot clock? For high school ball? Why?
Because it's FIBA. I think they're are based off of soccre roules.
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Because it's FIBA. I think they're are based off of soccre roules.
I may be missing a joke here, but is that supposed to be soccer rules? What's soccer got to do with this?
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I may be missing a joke here, but is that supposed to be soccer rules? What's soccer got to do with this?
Yes, you're missing a joke about soccer, the preferred sport of most places who use FIBA rules for basketball.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2010, 02:16pm
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Yes, you're missing a joke about soccer, the preferred sport of most places who use FIBA rules for basketball.
ah ok. Did not know that.

I am a soccer official but I go by USSF/FIFA (rec and travel games) and NFHS (high school games). Will soon be doing local college soccer games.
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Old Mon Feb 15, 2010, 04:08pm
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ah ok. Did not know that.

I am a soccer official but I go by USSF/FIFA (rec and travel games) and NFHS (high school games). Will soon be doing local college soccer games.
Then you're probably not going to get my soccre humour; which is predicated on a small amount of disdain.
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Then you're probably not going to get my soccre humour; which is predicated on a small amount of disdain.
Why the disdain? FIBA rules are used in most of the world, US excluded. One thing they do provide is a consistent set of rules across levels and accoss countries. In the U.S., following rules from high school to women's college, to men's college to the nba will make you dizzy and confused if you are looking for a consistent rationale.

US olympic teams used to reasonably have disdain for players outside the US. Now that would be just plain silly. I think most high level players realize that the rest of the world is catching up and has something to offer on the court. And in the rule book.
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Why the disdain? FIBA rules are used in most of the world, US excluded. One thing they do provide is a consistent set of rules across levels and accoss countries. In the U.S., following rules from high school to women's college, to men's college to the nba will make you dizzy and confused if you are looking for a consistent rationale.

US olympic teams used to reasonably have disdain for players outside the US. Now that would be just plain silly. I think most high level players realize that the rest of the world is catching up and has something to offer on the court. And in the rule book.
My disdain has nothing to do with FIBA, although there are certain FIBA rules I don't like. It's all about soccer.
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While I agree with all the points about it being unsporting, if they're saying all of that and get to 5 a 2nd and 3rd time, and you're not past five (understanding that you may have been ignoring your own count in response to their actions), your count is way too slow.
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This is why I like officiating in high altitudes. The players have more important things to do with their oxygen.
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So once the crowd got into the counting my partner took me aside . . .

He was very upset about and said we should demand the team stop or "T" them up each time it happened. My intial response in our private convo was that they could count to 1 million if they liked unless they started arguing the count I didn't care. We then discussed the inciting the crowd aspect and decided that we would in fact put a stop to it just because it couldn't go anywhere good for anyone.

Since I was in the more reasonable mood about it I approached the coach who must have known what was coming next.

Me - "Your players and the bench needs to stop trying to affect the officials count. I appreciate your enthusiasm but its not going to effect us and is just going to lead to issues with the crowd and both teams. If I hear it again the player responsible will be given a T and it will go to you if it comes from the bench."

Coach - "So we can't communicate on defense. We have stunts set after certain counts by our teammates and now your saying we can't call rotations from the floor or bench."

Me - " I hear what your saying but you and I both know what its really about and what its trying to accomplish. Its either trying to influence the official or rush/intimdate the opposition. So lets cut the counting!"

Coach - "Fair enough. I assume you''ll warn the other team too, and if you hear them counting down a shot clock or game clock that they'll be "T"'d up too if counting is now unsportsmanlike."

Me -" I'll treat them the same as you coach."

I walked away. THe counting stopped. Until the crowd got wind of it at half time. Then as the 2nd half started a group of supportive parents counted from 1 - 500 aloud while the game was going on.
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