The Counters . . .

[Pantherdreams]

So we've got this team in our zone. High School boys playing FIBA rules. Coach is solid, players are nice kids if not great ball players. One of the teams strengths in they are one of the most vocal (team communication)teams in the area if not the most skilled.

Normally you go do a game. Coach is loud cheerleading demanding of his kids, kids are intense, loud, passionate. Never out of control but very vocal. Defensively the kid on the ball is always shouting out what the o is doing (dribble.dribble.dribble, pass, shot etc) kids off the ball talking to the on the ball defender etc. Lots of loud chaotic pressure on defense.

I preface all this because they added a new tactic to their repetiore last night and I want to get everyone elses feelings on it before I discuss my response.

The counting . . .

After their first made basket team starts defending full court man. Player on the ball and the bench start "1 . .. Deny Hard . .. 2 DENY HARD . . . 3 DENY HARD!!!! . . ." etc. As the ball gets entered the bench start "1 . . D-up . 2 D-up .. . 3 D- up . .4 D-up" I didn't think anything (duh) thinking its their hip version of my old school D-Fence until I realised when they reached 5 on the out of bounds they kept repeating "5 DENY HARDD!!!!" and in the front court at 8 its was repeating "8 D-UP!" In the half court they went back to their regular noisy defense.

Early in the 1st quarter when the crowd noise began to match the player noise my partner called me in to have a convo . . .

How would you handle this?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

So we've got this team in our zone. High School boys playing FIBA rules. Coach is solid, players are nice kids if not great ball players. One of the teams strengths in they are one of the most vocal (team communication)teams in the area if not the most skilled.

Normally you go do a game. Coach is loud cheerleading demanding of his kids, kids are intense, loud, passionate. Never out of control but very vocal. Defensively the kid on the ball is always shouting out what the o is doing (dribble.dribble.dribble, pass, shot etc) kids off the ball talking to the on the ball defender etc. Lots of loud chaotic pressure on defense.

I preface all this because they added a new tactic to their repetiore last night and I want to get everyone elses feelings on it before I discuss my response.

The counting . . .

After their first made basket team starts defending full court man. Player on the ball and the bench start "1 . .. Deny Hard . .. 2 DENY HARD . . . 3 DENY HARD!!!! . . ." etc. As the ball gets entered the bench start "1 . . D-up . 2 D-up .. . 3 D- up . .4 D-up" I didn't think anything (duh) thinking its their hip version of my old school D-Fence until I realised when they reached 5 on the out of bounds they kept repeating "5 DENY HARDD!!!!" and in the front court at 8 its was repeating "8 D-UP!" In the half court they went back to their regular noisy defense.

Early in the 1st quarter when the crowd noise began to match the player noise my partner called me in to have a convo . . .

How would you handle this?

So you're saying they're trying to influence your count? So what is the 8 count?

[Adam]

In FIBA, 8 count is our 10 second back court count.

Counting is unsporting, plain and simple. Tell them to stop. If they do it again, easy T. If the warning doesn't work, the T will.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In FIBA, 8 count is our 10 second back court count.

Counting is unsporting, plain and simple. Tell them to stop. If they do it again, easy T. If the warning doesn't work, the T will.

Agreed. No good can come from letting them continue.

[Adam]

Isn't it considered unsporting in FIBA for a defender to yell "shot" at a shooting opponent? How is this different?

[Pantherdreams]

Sorry FIBA rules . .. 24 -8. 24 second shot clocks, 8 seconds to get it over half.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Sorry FIBA rules . .. 24 -8. 24 second shot clocks, 8 seconds to get it over half.

24 second shot clock? For high school ball? Why?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

24 second shot clock? For high school ball? Why?

Because it's FIBA. I think they're are based off of soccre roules.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Because it's FIBA. I think they're are based off of soccre roules.

I may be missing a joke here, but is that supposed to be soccer rules? What's soccer got to do with this?

[constable]

Originally Posted by representing

24 second shot clock? For high school ball? Why?

FIBA is trying to be more like the NBA. Hence the 8 second backcourt and 24 second shot clock.

8 second BC i don't have a problem with but 24 seconds for all levels lower than university I think is too short.

[Tim C]

"Then you're probably not going to get my soccre humour; which is predicated on a small amount of disdain."

I take the high road when it comes to making jokes about Third World sports such as soccer.

T

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tim c

i take the high road when it comes to making jokes about third world sports such as soccer.

T

+1

[LeeBallanfant]

I would tell the coach that I am also counting 10(8) seconds to my self and unfortunately the two counts are confusing me. So when I get confused I start again from the beginning.