Let me correct a coach's quote

[Rich]

“He's a terrific shooter. Everywhere we go, he gets ridden all over the gym.”

"It's too bad that every time he drives, he lowers his shoulder and initiates contact. Many times he throws himself into a defender with legal guarding position and it looks ugly, but the officials correctly make no call since there is no advantage gained. Matter of fact, if he hadn't been properly called for two player control fouls, he would've played more of the third and early fourth quarter and we might have won the game."

Now I feel better. Seriously, the kid has some talent, but his first move is to lower the shoulder. He could've picked up a third PC foul, but the defender turned to the side and the contact simply didn't cause either an advantage -- had the defender held his ground, I would've called a third one.

[Adam]

I hate it when the coach wants us to bail the shooter out when he jumps into a defender.
On the flip side, had a coach this year yell at his guys, "They're not going to bail you out so you're going to have to make your layups. Don't try to draw a foul."

[chartrusepengui]

Last night - 7 PC's between the two of us. There were some major pops. I know that one player had 4 of them. He fouled out. Might have even had all 5 as PC. Oh - he didn't know what defense was. Perfect candidate for the NBE!

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

the defender turned to the side and the contact simply didn't cause either an advantage -- had the defender held his ground, I would've called a third one.

Would love to hear your reasoning behind this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Would love to hear your reasoning behind this.

The defender gave up LGP. He pretty much moved out of the way and the driver's shoulder barely brushed the defender, off to the side. It really was a PC foul waiting to happen, but the defender chose to give up his good position, for some reason.

Rather than "held his ground" I should've said maintained LGP -- that's what I meant.

Earlier in the game, the home coach wanted a foul and asked how there could be no call with "so much contact"? My response was the the defender had "his arms straight up and had legal guarding position all the way." The coach said, "but he was MOVING." That was my cue to get outta there.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"They're not going to bail you out so you're going to have to make your layups. Don't try to draw a foul."

I see this a lot too.

A1 doesn't concentrate on making the layup and is overly concerned about contact from B1. A1 alters his shot, misses badly, looks for the call when there was little to know contact, and we're going the other way.....Meanwhile, we see a very disheartened A1 jogging slowly up the court and a coach yelling, "They're not going to bail you out so you're going to have to make your layups. Don't try to draw a foul."

And that coach just may be me....... (B15U). ARGH!

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The defender gave up LGP. He pretty much moved out of the way and the driver's shoulder barely brushed the defender, off to the side. It really was a PC foul waiting to happen, but the defender chose to give up his good position, for some reason.

Rather than "held his ground" I should've said maintained LGP -- that's what I meant.

Earlier in the game, the home coach wanted a foul and asked how there could be no call with "so much contact"? My response was the the defender had "his arms straight up and had legal guarding position all the way." The coach said, "but he was MOVING." That was my cue to get outta there.

I've taken these kinds of cues from coaches several times this year. I once had a coach tell me that a player needed to have possession of the ball to be fouled.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I once had a coach tell me that a player needed to have possession of the ball to be fouled.

Wow, I'm not sure I could have kept my mouth shut on that one. Like when the coach asked me, "So he can shoot from the floor?"

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I see this a lot too.

A1 doesn't concentrate on making the layup and is overly concerned about contact from B1. A1 alters his shot, misses badly, looks for the call when there was little to know contact, and we're going the other way.....Meanwhile, we see a very disheartened A1 jogging slowly up the court and a coach yelling, "They're not going to bail you out so you're going to have to make your layups. Don't try to draw a foul."

And that coach just may be me....... (B15U). ARGH!

Gotta love it when shooters become contortionists and disadvantage themselves far worse that any defender could...

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The defender gave up LGP. He pretty much moved out of the way and the driver's shoulder barely brushed the defender, off to the side. It really was a PC foul waiting to happen, but the defender chose to give up his good position, for some reason.

Rather than "held his ground" I should've said maintained LGP -- that's what I meant.

Earlier in the game, the home coach wanted a foul and asked how there could be no call with "so much contact"? My response was the the defender had "his arms straight up and had legal guarding position all the way." The coach said, "but he was MOVING." That was my cue to get outta there.

Right On!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, I'm not sure I could have kept my mouth shut on that one. Like when the coach asked me, "So he can shoot from the floor?"

Me neither. Took all I had when a coach asked me during a middle school game "Why was that a foul? He didn't knock him down!"

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Like when the coach asked me, "So he can shoot from the floor?"

What exactly was he asking? The question is so weird I'm not even certain what he doesn't know!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

What exactly was he asking? The question is so weird I'm not even certain what he doesn't know!

The context was a foul my partner had just called during which a shooter was fouled on the arm. He was bent over after having picked up a loose ball and was bringing the ball up to shoot. The contact was probably within about 18 inches of the floor. He was asking why it wasn't "on the floor" and after my partner went opposite (IAABO mechanic), I was T at the bench.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Gotta love it when shooters become contortionists and disadvantage themselves far worse that any defender could...

Hey Rick - don't you talk about my son like that!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

"It's too bad that every time he drives, he lowers his shoulder and initiates contact. Many times he throws himself into a defender with legal guarding position and it looks ugly, but the officials correctly make no call since there is no advantage gained. Matter of fact, if he hadn't been properly called for two player control fouls, he would've played more of the third and early fourth quarter and we might have won the game."

Now I feel better. Seriously, the kid has some talent, but his first move is to lower the shoulder. He could've picked up a third PC foul, but the defender turned to the side and the contact simply didn't cause either an advantage -- had the defender held his ground, I would've called a third one.

Won't do it, never will bail him out, never, never.