Let me correct a coach's quote

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Won't do it, never will bail him out, never, never.

Agreed. Had one the other night...guard decides to drive the lane and tries to split two defenders standing a foot or so apart with their arms straight up. Lots of minor contact, all caused by the offensive player. He misses wildly, defense gets the rebound and we head the other way. As I passed the bench the coach yells "How is that not a foul?" - with a completely straight face I told him "because the defenders had LGP and your guard didn't displace either of them".

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, I'm not sure I could have kept my mouth shut on that one. Like when the coach asked me, "So he can shoot from the floor?"

I was sort of speechless. I just turned and walked away

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agreed. Had one the other night...guard decides to drive the lane and tries to split two defenders standing a foot or so apart with their arms straight up. Lots of minor contact, all caused by the offensive player. He misses wildly, defense gets the rebound and we head the other way. As I passed the bench the coach yells "How is that not a foul?" - with a completely straight face I told him "because the defenders had LGP and your guard didn't displace either of them".

My dad would've said "you can't squeeze 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag." Of course, he wasn't a referee.

The time I most often see something like this is when the defender legally seals off the sideline and the guard tries to go around the defender and ends up going *** over teakettle on the sideline cause he can't dribble and do cartwheels at the same time. Usually the call is simply out of bounds as the contact is really incidental to the whole thing and I've seen both coaches want fouls in that situation (of course they want different fouls).

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

My dad would've said "you can't squeeze 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound bag." Of course, he wasn't a referee.

The time I most often see something like this is when the defender legally seals off the sideline and the guard tries to go around the defender and ends up going *** over teakettle on the sideline cause he can't dribble and do cartwheels at the same time. Usually the call is simply out of bounds as the contact is really incidental to the whole thing and I've seen both coaches want fouls in that situation (of course they want different fouls).

LOL! Your dad sounds a lot like mine was!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agreed. Had one the other night...guard decides to drive the lane and tries to split two defenders standing a foot or so apart with their arms straight up. Lots of minor contact, all caused by the offensive player. He misses wildly, defense gets the rebound and we head the other way. As I passed the bench the coach yells "How is that not a foul?" - with a completely straight face I told him "because the defenders had LGP and your guard didn't displace either of them".

Ha, had the same 'with how is that not a foul?' Me, 'I didn't want to give your guy this 4th'. Now, this was said in kids game, I don't get smartazz for Varsity.

Might have to someday

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Ha, had the same 'with how is that not a foul?' Me, 'I didn't want to give your guy this 4th'. Now, this was said in kids game, I don't get smartazz for Varsity.

During a JV girl's game, I had a coach ask me about a possible PC foul against his player that I passed on that I probably should have called. His player lowered her shoulder, drove the basket and ran into a stationary defender that had already established LGP. She slightly displaced the defender and ended up losing the ball.

The coach asked why that wasn't a foul and I told him "If anything coach, it would've been a charge against your player as the defender had established LGP." The coach gave me a look like I was clinically insane and then went on to try and rant about another perceived missed call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

During a JV girl's game, I had a coach ask me about a possible PC foul against his player that I passed on that I probably should have called. His player lowered her shoulder, drove the basket and ran into a stationary defender that had already established LGP. She slightly displaced the defender and ended up losing the ball.

The coach asked why that wasn't a foul and I told him "If anything coach, it would've been a charge against your player as the defender had established LGP." The coach gave me a look like I was clinically insane and then went on to try and rant about another perceived missed call.

From this description, it sounds like a good pass. "Slight" displacement followed by the offense losing the ball.... I like a no-call there.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Ha, had the same 'with how is that not a foul?' Me, 'I didn't want to give your guy this 4th'. Now, this was said in kids game, I don't get smartazz for Varsity.

Might have to someday

This was JV boys......coach's rules knowledge was clearly somewhat lacking from some of his comments.

I have heard it a few times from varsity coaches...my response is simply "defender had LGP, your player initiated the contact".

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The coach gave me a look like I was clinically insane and then went on to try and rant about another perceived missed call.

I don't think this coach understands the concept of "moving on".

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

From this description, it sounds like a good pass. "Slight" displacement followed by the offense losing the ball.... I like a no-call there.

Well maybe I'll quit second guessing myself on that one then.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Well maybe I'll quit second guessing myself on that one then.

Hey, second guess yourself all you want. Don't let me stop you. I wasn't there.

[Welpe]

You can level with me...I blew the call didn't I? Would a still photo help?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You can level with me...I blew the call didn't I? Would a still photo help?

I had more to say about your mechanics, frankly.

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The context was a foul my partner had just called during which a shooter was fouled on the arm. He was bent over after having picked up a loose ball and was bringing the ball up to shoot. The contact was probably within about 18 inches of the floor.

I get it. He thought "the act of shooting" required the player to have physically left the floor and that as long as his feet remained on the floor he obviously wasn't in the act of shooting the ball.

From time to time I will work a scrimmage with a volunteer ref and based on some of the calls I see I would say this is not entirely uncommon as misconceptions go.

[Adam]

I'm not sure whether he actually thought that, but it was the logical result of the reasoning he was trying to give.