Jay Bilas, a Lawyer?, He can not even read.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I totally agree. I thought it was a good call as well.

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

It's like you're reading my mind.

[JRutledge]

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

Peace

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

Peace

Right...It doesn't matter when the whistle was blown. I've always been told it doesn't matter when the whistle blows, as long as the TO was requested at the right time.

[just another ref]

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

Where would the fun be in that?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

I don't know why you would say that. But, of course, it is true. I thought that Cahill kicked this one.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is a basketball fundamental. The whistle rarely causes the ball to become dead, it is already dead. And no I did not see the play, but if what I am reading is correct, then the official got it right.

The rules fundamental does say that, but you must know when that fundamental properly applies.

Originally Posted by bas2456

Right...It doesn't matter when the whistle was blown. I've always been told it doesn't matter when the whistle blows, as long as the TO was requested at the right time.

Does a time-out request make the ball dead? Do the rules say that as they do for a violation or a foul?
I don't believe so. In the case of a time-out it absolutely does matter when the whistle is blown.

Originally Posted by just another ref

This rule still cries out for an editorial change. We need a definition of when the timeout is granted.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I was watching the game live and I thought it was way too late. However, and this has happened to me, perhaps the coach verbally called a TO and the ref simply did not recognize it right away(brain freeze) and blew the whistle but the ball was with UCONN.

That's what I see on the video replay on ESPN360.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1) Does a time-out request make the ball dead?

2)Do the rules say that as they do for a violation or a foul?

No, but granting the TO request does.
NFHS rule 5-8-3--"Time out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official grants a player/head coach's ORAL or visual request for a timeout, such request being granted only when the ball is in control of or at the disposal of a player of his/her team."
NCAA rules are exactly the same, I believe. By rule, the TO occurs when the official grants the TO request. So the sequence is TO request by coach---->granted by official if player on coach's team has player control. By rule, the clock is supposed to be stopped when the TO request is granted. What happens after the TO was granted is irrelevant in the play being discussed.

2) Basically yes, except that the official doesn't have to signal a granted TO request to stop the clock. The clock is supposed to stop when the TO request is granted instead. And that shoots your little theorem all t'hell, rules-wise.


Let me know if you can find some rules that will back up what you're saying.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Someone from Nevada will be along to disagree with you....

Nice to see a quick hit-and-run can provoke what followed.

[Raymond]

I've never had a problem with this time-out thingy.

"TIME OUT....BEFORE HE RELEASED THE PASS"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE SHOT WAS RELEASED"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE STEPPING OUT OF BOUNDS"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE HE WAS TIED UP"


Verbalizing why you are granting the time-out in these types of situations clears up a lot of confusion.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've never had a problem with this time-out thingy.

"TIME OUT....BEFORE HE RELEASED THE PASS"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE SHOT WAS RELEASED"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE STEPPING OUT OF BOUNDS"

"TIME OUT....BEFORE HE WAS TIED UP"


Verbalizing why you are granting the time-out in these types of situations clears up a lot of confusion.

Sure, if you choose not to follow the rules.

"Time-out ... three possessions ago."
"Time-out ... back in the 2nd quarter."

Yeah, just explain it. Just wonderful.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sure, if you choose not to follow the rules.

"Time-out ... three possessions ago."
"Time-out ... back in the 2nd quarter."

Yeah, just explain it. Just wonderful.

I missed anywhere in this thread where someone talked about granting times-out from 3 possessions ago or from a previouis quarter. Can you please point me to that post so I can on the same Bizarro topic you are apparently on.

Guess you have a problem in Nevada with officials lacking common sense and sticking to reality. Not a problem in Virginia. Must be a regional thing.