Back Court Violation ?

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly.

1. I can't tell where A1 was when he passed the ball. Was he in the FC or the BC? Since you said "as A1 crosses...." I'm having a hard time making that decision.

2. From your description of A2 being airborne over the division line, I have to assume he had jumped from the BC.

Here's how I'm reading this play:
A1 crosses the line, gains FC status, then passes the ball to A2, who is airborne after having jumped from the BC. Where he lands is irrelevant if he catches the ball in the air. This is a violation as soon as A2 touches the ball.

OP says A2 has one foot down in front court prior to catching the ball. Where is the second foot? Has A1 fully established himself in the frontcourt?

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

OP says A2 has one foot down in front court prior to catching the ball. Where is the second foot? Has A1 fully established himself in the frontcourt?

1 Foot in the frontcourt/1 foot in the air = NO VIOLATION (2 feet are NOT required...if the official explained it that way then he was wrong)

[trsandy]

points of clarification.

(1) A1 is clearly in the Front Court prior to passing the ball to A2 who is airborne over midcourt line at the time of the pass.

(2) A2 clearly had no feet in or on the backcourt when he gains posession of the ball in the front court from A1. He clearly had one foot down in the Front Court when he caught the ball.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by trsandy

points of clarification.

(1) A1 is clearly in the Front Court prior to passing the ball to A2 who is airborne over midcourt line at the time of the pass.

(2) A2 clearly had no feet in or on the backcourt when he gains posession of the ball in the front court from A1. He clearly had one foot down in the Front Court when he caught the ball.

Sounds like the official either made a mistake and tried to cover it by inaccurately explaining the rule, or doesn't know the rule.

Did the official actually say two feet, or did he say he had to establish himself in the frontcourt? If the latter, he may know the rule but judged A2 hadn't touched the frontcourt yet after being airborne from the backcourt.

Bottom line, there are missed calls. Sorry this one appears to have gone against your team.

[trsandy]

here's the worst part of the ruling .... The backcourt referee was standing out of bounds straddling the mid court line and was watching the exchange between A1 and A2. He had perfect vantage point. He did NOT call the infraction. The other referee (who was working his way toward the baseline) made the call !!!!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by trsandy

here's the worst part of the ruling .... The backcourt referee was standing out of bounds straddling the mid court line and was watching the exchange between A1 and A2. He had perfect vantage point. He did NOT call the infraction. The other referee (who was working his way toward the baseline) made the call !!!!

Sounds like a guy I used to work with.

[trsandy]

Can anyone point me to Chapter and verse of either NCAA or High School rule book that would substantiate not needing to have 2 feet down in front court to establish front court status ? thanks for all your input !

[Adam]

Originally Posted by trsandy

here's the worst part of the ruling .... The backcourt referee was standing out of bounds straddling the mid court line and was watching the exchange between A1 and A2. He had perfect vantage point. He did NOT call the infraction. The other referee (who was working his way toward the baseline) made the call !!!!

What level was this?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by trsandy

here's the worst part of the ruling .... The backcourt referee was standing out of bounds straddling the mid court line and was watching the exchange between A1 and A2. He had perfect vantage point. He did NOT call the infraction. The other referee (who was working his way toward the baseline) made the call !!!!

Now THAT's ugly. (Along with the "two feet" explanation.)

But I'm still not totally clear from your description. It seems your 1) and 2) contradict each other a bit in your next-to-last post.

You say A2 is "airborne" when getting the ball (to me, that means no foot at all on the ground). If that's the case, he still has backcourt status and you have a violation -- doesn't matter where he lands AFTER he receives the ball. If however, he doesn't touch the ball until he has something landed in FC and nothing still touching BC, he's OK.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Amesman

But I'm still not totally clear from your description. It seems your 1) and 2) contradict each other a bit in your next-to-last post.

You say A2 is "airborne" when getting the ball (to me, that means no foot at all on the ground). If that's the case, he still has backcourt status and you have a violation -- doesn't matter where he lands AFTER he receives the ball. If however, he doesn't touch the ball until he has something landed in FC and nothing still touching BC, he's OK.

I believe what he is attempting to share is that A2 was airborne (having backcourt status) when A1 passed the ball. However, by the time A2 received the pass, he had come down on one foot in the frontcourt.

No contradiction, just a confusing use of the term 'airborne' as we typically use it.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by trsandy

points of clarification.

(1) A1 is clearly in the Front Court prior to passing the ball to A2 who is airborne over midcourt line at the time of the pass.

(2) A2 clearly had no feet in or on the backcourt when he gains posession of the ball in the front court from A1. He clearly had one foot down in the Front Court when he caught the ball.

Not sure if this clarifies anything if you persist in misusing the term "airborne" which has a very specific meaning in ref lingo.

Doesn't really affect your sitch as the calling official has clearly been plagued by the myth monster!!!

Do a search within this forum for the latest basketball rules myth document. Sounds like you may need it in your games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

OP says A2 has one foot down in front court prior to catching the ball. Where is the second foot? Has A1 fully established himself in the frontcourt?

You're right. Somehow I missed that. My bad. It feels like Monday.