Player loses his shoe!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Thumper68

Is a displaced contact considered the same as displaced eyeglasses? I observed a BV game last week where H1 had a contact come out. He was holding it on the tip of his finger, and asking the official to stop play. Official did not stop play, and waited for the next dead ball. Home coach not happy!

Also what is the rule reference for the eyeglasses. I know that I have read it but am having a brain cramp this morning.

NFHS rule 5-11EXCEPTION(a)...includes displaced contacts. You stop the game but don't charge the player's team with a TO.

Note that "displaced shoes" are nowhere to be found in that exception.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 5-11EXCEPTION(a)...includes displaced contacts. You stop the game but don't charge the player's team with a TO.

I've done both this year, first time for each. Weird year.

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 5-11EXCEPTION(a)...includes displaced contacts. You stop the game but don't charge the player's team with a TO.

Note that "displaced shoes" are nowhere to be found in that exception.

Thank you! Thanks to Snaqwells and grunewar as well. My initial reaction was that play should have been stopped for it. I am still studying the books try to look things up before asking, but was stumped this morning.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Thumper68

Also what is the rule reference for the eyeglasses. I know that I have read it but am having a brain cramp this morning.

Thanks,

Here's the Rule:

Rule 5 SECTION 11 CHARGED TIME-OUT
ART. 1 . . . A single 60-second time-out charged to a team shall not exceed one minute. A warning signal for the teams to prepare to be ready to resume play is sounded with 15 seconds remaining. Such a time-out shall not be reduced in length unless both teams are ready to play before the time-out is over.
ART. 2 . . . A single 30-second charged time-out shall not exceed 30 seconds.
A warning signal for teams to prepare to be ready to resume play is sounded with 15 seconds remaining. No on-court entertainment should occur during this time.
ART. 3 . . . Only one 60-second time-out is charged (or one 30-second timeout, if that is the only type of time-out remaining) in 5-8-4 regardless of the amount of time consumed when no correction is made.
EXCEPTION: No time-out is charged:
a. If, in 5-8-3, the player’s request results from displaced eyeglasses or lens.
b. If, in 5-8-4, the error or mistake is prevented or rectified.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

Also, if this were a fast break situation and the offense looked to have an easy two points, would it be appropriate to wait to stop play until after the lay up so as not to ruin an easy score, or is there a requirement to blow the whistle right away for a lost shoe?

There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

I say, shame on the player for not having the team trainer tape his shoes on. Won't these kids ever learn?

[Adam]

As Rich's response indicates, check local listings if you want to get it right.

Honestly, while I will slow down a dead ball, I won't kill the play unless I see a player pull an opponent's shoe off on purpose. In that case, I'll allow him the time to put his shoe on before he shoots his free throws.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As Rich's response indicates, check local listings if you want to get it right.

Honestly, while I will slow down a dead ball, I won't kill the play unless I see a player pull an opponent's shoe off on purpose. In that case, I'll allow him the time to put his shoe on before he shoots his free throws.

To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a local listing on this one. The shoe was on the court, though, and I didn't want it to be a hazard going to the other end. If he was holding and/or putting on the shoe, I'd let him do that on his own time.

[Paul LeBoutillier]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a local listing on this one. The shoe was on the court, though, and I didn't want it to be a hazard going to the other end. If he was holding and/or putting on the shoe, I'd let him do that on his own time.

That was kind of the issue Rich. As I was on Trail there was the shoe laying on the court. Do I leave it there and follow the play toward the other end of the court and hope it doesn't become an issue on the other way...or do I kick it off the court as I run by and just expect the coach to call a time out?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier

That was kind of the issue Rich. As I was on Trail there was the shoe laying on the court. Do I leave it there and follow the play toward the other end of the court and hope it doesn't become an issue on the other way...or do I kick it off the court as I run by and just expect the coach to call a time out?

I would either kick it toward the bench, or beckon someone to come pick it up, depending on where the shoe was (and to whcih team it belonged).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a local listing on this one. The shoe was on the court, though, and I didn't want it to be a hazard going to the other end. If he was holding and/or putting on the shoe, I'd let him do that on his own time.

If it's still there when we get back, lying in the middle of the court, I might stop it. I would hope it would disappear by that time, however. If it's a safety issue, ok. But as lead, I might just pick it up on my way through and put it down on the bleachers.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If it's still there when we get back, lying in the middle of the court, I might stop it. I would hope it would disappear by that time, however. If it's a safety issue, ok. But as lead, I might just pick it up on my way through and put it down on the bleachers.

Eh, I'm ambivalent on this one. I may have had this once in the last 8 years (and it was just last week). I stopped it, nobody said anything, and both teams had subs waiting to enter. I really didn't think twice until I saw this thread today.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

I'd have rules backing if I judged that a shoe under the basket presented a safety hazard. Otherwise, I agree.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'd have rules backing if I judged that a shoe under the basket presented a safety hazard. Otherwise, I agree.

Same here. I stopped a game when one of those facemasks fell off a player. Felt it would have been a safety hazard to all the players on the court.

Definitely was not going to pick it up, toss it, or kick it out the way.