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Paul LeBoutillier Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:36pm

Player loses his shoe!
 
I've been officiating since 1999 and have never had a kid lose his shoe until last week. There was a tussle for the ball which resulted in a break for the other end of the court. I was on trail and as I ran along there was a shoe lying on the court! (I didn't actually see it come off.) I was definitely taken aback, but when I looked up and saw one of the players making his way down the court with one stocking foot I blew my whistle and gave him a chance to get his shoe back on. Kinda strange.

When stopping the clock for my own reasons (such as a shoe coming off, or a bloody nose, etc) is there any hand signal that is necessary beyond the open hand "stop the clock" gesture? (I usually just point to myself and say, "My time out.")

Also, if this were a fast break situation and the offense looked to have an easy two points, would it be appropriate to wait to stop play until after the lay up so as not to ruin an easy score, or is there a requirement to blow the whistle right away for a lost shoe?

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:39pm

Did you call a toe truck? :D

Paul LeBoutillier Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:40pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 659653)
Did you call a toe truck? :D

Mark, you haven't changed a bit!! :)

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:41pm

OT: I just became aware that there was a place called "Ontario" in Oregon last week.....funny how stuff like that works.

Mark Padgett Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 659655)
OT: I just became aware that there was a place called "Ontario" in Oregon last week.....funny how stuff like that works.

Our best named city is Boring, Oregon. Not kidding.

Tim C Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:46pm

Ok,
 
everything else aside: do you guys actually call "an officials time out" for a player puts his show back on?

If appears that happen in the op.

Regards,

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 659660)
everything else aside: do you guys actually call "an officials time out" for a player puts his show back on?

If appears that happen in the op.

Regards,

I'll do it when the player's team gets the ball and we're not in a fast break / transition.

If the other team has it? No.

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:50pm

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Originally Posted by Paul LeBoutillier (Post 659652)
Also, if this were a fast break situation and the offense looked to have an easy two points, would it be appropriate to wait to stop play until after the lay up so as not to ruin an easy score, or is there a requirement to blow the whistle right away for a lost shoe?

There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659667)
There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

I say, shame on the player for not having the team trainer tape his shoes on. Won't these kids ever learn?

Adam Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:53pm

As Rich's response indicates, check local listings if you want to get it right.

Honestly, while I will slow down a dead ball, I won't kill the play unless I see a player pull an opponent's shoe off on purpose. In that case, I'll allow him the time to put his shoe on before he shoots his free throws.

mbyron Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659667)
There's no rules backing to stop the game here at all, let alone immediately. Any game at or above the middle school level, the player retrieve his shoe on his own time.

I'd have rules backing if I judged that a shoe under the basket presented a safety hazard. Otherwise, I agree.

DLH17 Mon Feb 08, 2010 05:55pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 659656)
Our best named city is Boring, Oregon. Not kidding.

Smells like B.O. :D

Jurassic Referee Mon Feb 08, 2010 06:13pm

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Originally Posted by Tim C (Post 659660)
everything else aside: do you guys actually call "an officials time out" for a player puts his show back on?

No. and we train our officials not to stop play either.

Displaced eyeglasses, yes. Shoes, no.

And you won't see play stopped at the NCAA level either for shoes(or you shouldn't).

Rich Mon Feb 08, 2010 06:24pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 659669)
As Rich's response indicates, check local listings if you want to get it right.

Honestly, while I will slow down a dead ball, I won't kill the play unless I see a player pull an opponent's shoe off on purpose. In that case, I'll allow him the time to put his shoe on before he shoots his free throws.

To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a local listing on this one. The shoe was on the court, though, and I didn't want it to be a hazard going to the other end. If he was holding and/or putting on the shoe, I'd let him do that on his own time.

Paul LeBoutillier Mon Feb 08, 2010 07:00pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 659682)
To be honest, I'm not sure if there is a local listing on this one. The shoe was on the court, though, and I didn't want it to be a hazard going to the other end. If he was holding and/or putting on the shoe, I'd let him do that on his own time.

That was kind of the issue Rich. As I was on Trail there was the shoe laying on the court. Do I leave it there and follow the play toward the other end of the court and hope it doesn't become an issue on the other way...or do I kick it off the court as I run by and just expect the coach to call a time out?


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