Shot Clock Question

[afrothunda]

I cant seem to find in the NCAA rule book where it says when the shot clock starts. Does it start on contact or team control??

[JRutledge]

The clock should start when a player inbounds legally touches the ball. Rule 2-13-5.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

2-13-5, Duties of the shot clock operator

Start the timing device when a player in bounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in or when a team initially gains possession from a jump ball, an unsuccessful try for goal or when possession is gained
of a loose ball after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal.

[afrothunda]

So what happens in the situation?

A1 passes the ball to A2 in the back court. It is touched but not controlled by A2.

So the above is saying the shot clock would start on contact of the ball by A2? We would not being our 10 second count until A2 has gained control or his team has control. (NCAA 9-10-Art. 1 says inbounds player (and team) shall not be in continous control of ball that is in back court for 10 consecutive seconds). Correct or not correct?

Let say it takes A2 five seconds to gain control of the ball. The shot clock would read 25 seconds. Would your 10 second back court count could end with 15 seconds on the shot clock?

[PS2Man]

Separate the shot clock and the 10 second count. These things are not one in the same.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by afrothunda
So the above is saying the shot clock would start on contact of the ball by A2? We would not being our 10 second count until A2 has gained control or his team has control. (NCAA 9-10-Art. 1 says inbounds player (and team) shall not be in continous control of ball that is in back court for 10 consecutive seconds). Correct or not correct?

Correct.

Let say it takes A2 five seconds to gain control of the ball. The shot clock would read 25 seconds.

Not in a men's game. . .

Would your 10 second back court count could end with 15 seconds on the shot clock?

Yes.

Originally posted by PS2
Separate the shot clock and the 10 second count. These things are not one in the same.

While they are not the same by rule, they are very often the same in practice. Usually, the player who receives the inbound pass establishes control immediately; either by catching the ball or starting a dribble. Therefore, in most backcourt throw-in situations, the 10 second count should expire when the shot clock shows 25 seconds (Men's) or 20 seconds (Women's).

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by afrothunda
So what happens in the situation?

A1 passes the ball to A2 in the back court. It is touched but not controlled by A2.

So the above is saying the shot clock would start on contact of the ball by A2? We would not being our 10 second count until A2 has gained control or his team has control. (NCAA 9-10-Art. 1 says inbounds player (and team) shall not be in continous control of ball that is in back court for 10 consecutive seconds). Correct or not correct?

Let say it takes A2 five seconds to gain control of the ball. The shot clock would read 25 seconds. Would your 10 second back court count could end with 15 seconds on the shot clock?

That's correct, which is why it's always a good idea to look at the shot clock on the throw-in to make sure it started properly. And to make sure you do not automatically blow the whistle at 25 seconds (men's) when A is still in the back court.

[Lotto]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Therefore, in most backcourt throw-in situations, the 10 second count should expire when the shot clock shows 25 seconds (Men's) or 20 seconds (Women's).

Of course, there is no 10 second count in NCAAW, so this is all moot in that situation.

[PS2Man]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

While they are not the same by rule, they are very often the same in practice. Usually, the player who receives the inbound pass establishes control immediately; either by catching the ball or starting a dribble. Therefore, in most backcourt throw-in situations, the 10 second count should expire when the shot clock shows 25 seconds (Men's) or 20 seconds (Women's).

If the ball is passed inbounds and B1 is the first to touch the ball, the shot clock should start. This really applies if the clock was started preiviously during team A's possession.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Lotto

Of course, there is no 10 second count in NCAAW, so this is all moot in that situation.

Good point....of course Mr Thunda needs to fix his example...in that example we would have a 10 second violation when the shot clock is at 20 seconds, not 15.

[afrothunda]

Thanks for the correction MR. Dan.

Mr THUNDA

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Lotto

Of course, there is no 10 second count in NCAAW, so this is all moot in that situation.

Which is just another reason I should follow my own tagline and just talk about men's rules. LOL

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by PS2Man
If the ball is passed inbounds and B1 is the first to touch the ball, the shot clock should start. This really applies if the clock was started preiviously during team A's possession.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. The shot clock starts whenever the inbounds pass touches any player from either team inbounds, right? So why does it matter if the "clock was started preiviously during team A's possession"?

[PS2Man]

If you believe that you are being a jerk than that might say more about you than this conversation.

My point is simply that the starting of the shot clock and the starting of the game clock are not one in the same as it relates to if you have a 10 second violation.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by afrothunda
Thanks for the correction MR. Dan.

Mr THUNDA

I got corrected too!