22 years, 1 blarge

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by richmsn

is it worse to have a blarge or to have a completely wrong call stand up simply to avoid a blarge?

yes

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yes

Why? To stroke officials' egos?

Serious question. Big bold font not persuasive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why? To stroke officials' egos?

Serious question. Big bold font not persuasive.

Because jar believes it's not really the rule in Fed.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why? To stroke officials' egos?

Serious question. Big bold font not persuasive.

Serious answer. Who was responsible in the first place for the idea that reporting a double foul on a blarge was better than anything? Confer, decide what really happened as best you can, as we do on every other imaginable scenario in the book.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Serious answer. Who was responsible in the first place for the idea that reporting a double foul on a blarge was better than anything? Confer, decide what really happened as best you can, as we do on every other imaginable scenario in the book.

I do not think it's a good rule, but you won't convince me that (with the exception of NCAAW) there's any other way to handle it. Once the call is either signaled or verbalized, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

At least now it's not just an academic exercise for me -- I've actually been there.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I do not think it's a good rule, but you won't convince me that (with the exception of NCAAW) there's any other way to handle it. Once the call is either signaled or verbalized, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

On the contrary. Two signals. One reports a foul. The other walks away.

If there is the question: "What about you? What did you call?"

The answer: "Nothing."

Been there. Done that.

[Rich]

I don't find lying to be a proper response. Sorry. It's just as bad as football officials who blow (and then try to cover up) an inadvertent whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Been there. Done that.

Really? You've lied on the court?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If there is the question: "What about you? What did you call?"

The answer: "Nothing."

Been there. Done that.

So, how does lying on the court help anything?

For the record, I absolutely agree with you, in principle. However, the rule is there, in black and white. I don't agree with it either, but I have to abide by it. Just like I don't agree with coaches being able to request TO's during live balls, but I still abide by it. I certainly cannot lie and say I didn't hear them, just so I can "impose" my own way of doing things, or my own philosophies.

There's a big difference between simply disagreeing with a rule or case, and purposely going against it. By purposely lying about what you did, you lose credibility with your other calls that game, and you may also lose credibility with any members of the committee who might be reading this forum and considering changing that particular rule.

So, don't screw up the cause.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, how does lying on the court help anything?


There's a big difference between simply disagreeing with a rule or case, and purposely going against it.

I honestly don't consider it lying. When I first read the case in question, I really thought the whole point was that the basket would count. Since it is part of a double foul, it is not a PC foul.

I still say a signal does not make it a foul.

I still have never read in black and white anywhere, other than this forum, that the preliminary signal is what makes this ridiculous double foul call unavoidable.