need advice

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by representing

Please emphasize what you mean. That team was the one that ended up getting the ball when it should have been given to the other team that had the AP, had I gone with that instead.

I mean the team that loses frequently blames the officials, whether it is in any way justified or not.

[representing]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I mean the team that loses frequently blames the officials, whether it is in any way justified or not.

Gotcha.

This just goes back to what I said, I think last week, about the bogus scratched list.

Example: Close game, 10 seconds left, Team A down by one point. You call a foul on Team A that any decent or better official would have called, double bonus, Team B shoots and makes both FT. Team A now down by 3 points, and cannot make a 3-pointer at the buzzer. Of course that coach is going to try to to blame YOU, saying that was a bogus or bad foul, and end up scratching you. Coaches here are told that they can't scratch you because of situations like that, but who's gonna know why a coach scratched you? DO AWAY WITH THE F*CKING SCRATCH LIST, PLEASE!

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by representing

Coaches here are told that they can't scratch you because of situations like that, but who's gonna know why a coach scratched you?

What is considered a legitimate reason to be scratched?

[representing]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is considered a legitimate reason to be scratched?

I would assume something like a coach thinking the referee is too lazy, doesn't care, doesn't know the rules, etc.

What I'm saying is like, in a situation I had two years ago, I got scratched by a state-champion coach for a no-call in my area that my partner called, during a JV, summer-league scrimmage, and he scratched ME. My partner was a new guy that season, and we were running 3-man as a "practice" run so we could all learn it. The coach was just standing in the corner watching this, and that was NOT me that f*cked up, but my partner. He's in the cornet yelling "that's not a back court!!!" and I looked at him and said "he's a new guy, I'll explain it to him at the next break" but I guess he wasn't having any of it and thought I should have overturned him at that moment.

Let me remind you, this was JV, in the summer, a MOTHERF*CKING< GOD-D*MN SCRIMMAGE! Again, SUMMER where no one gives a f*ck! I was wrongfully scratched from that game and could never get back on his good side since he's such an arrogant B*STARD.

BTW, it was his JV team that was the home team tonight and won. I tried to talk to him after the game but he just walked right by me after we shook hands. I guess the handshake is a good start. Found out he doesn't have an email address, so should I call him at his listed phone number to talk to him? Just looking for advice, which is a little OT from the OP.

[Nevadaref]

It seems that our young friend "representing" has some anger issues to deal with before he is ready to move up to the varsity level.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It seems that our young friend "representing" has some anger issue to deal with before he is ready to move up to the varsity level.

The thread went from - my partner had information that apparently was delivered in the fairly correct manner which helped me make a proper call, which I didn't like because now I look like an idiot..... to, now folks think I'm incompetent and I hate the politics of officiating. Big leap.

Representing - many offiicials in many games have their partners go TWEET, TWEET, TWEET, come across the gym and whisper something into their ear. You see it on tv all the time. Best thing to do (IMO) is nod your head and decide whether you are going to accept this info or not. If you do - put the ball in play and let's go. If not - put the ball in play and let's go. Don't feel like an idiot - Your team got the play right. It happens to most of us, and maybe someday you'll do it too (albeit differently if you like).

As for politics, we've had this conversation many times on the Forum before. It is what it is. Politics is in the work place, the neighborhood, the bar, the rec league, etc. Work within it or not - your choice. But, it's tough to avoid.

[Nevadaref]

This is the post that is really telling.

Originally Posted by representing

What I'm saying is like, in a situation I had two years ago, I got scratched by a state-champion coach for a no-call in my area that my partner called, during a JV, summer-league scrimmage, and he scratched ME. My partner was a new guy that season, and we were running 3-man as a "practice" run so we could all learn it. The coach was just standing in the corner watching this, and that was NOT me that f*cked up, but my partner. He's in the cornet yelling "that's not a back court!!!" and I looked at him and said "he's a new guy, I'll explain it to him at the next break" but I guess he wasn't having any of it and thought I should have overturned him at that moment.

Let me remind you, this was JV, in the summer, a MOTHERF*CKING< GOD-D*MN SCRIMMAGE! Again, SUMMER where no one gives a f*ck! I was wrongfully scratched from that game and could never get back on his good side since he's such an arrogant B*STARD.

BTW, it was his JV team that was the home team tonight and won. I tried to talk to him after the game but he just walked right by me after we shook hands. I guess the handshake is a good start. Found out he doesn't have an email address, so should I call him at his listed phone number to talk to him? Just looking for advice, which is a little OT from the OP.

From what I read here this young official badly wants the praise and recognition of this coach. He is almost obsessed with him. He is somehow in awe of this coach because he won a state championship. He is terribly upset that this guy scratched him and desperately desires to get back into his good graces. He completely threw his partner under the bus to this coach during a scrimmage when he should have had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. Now he seeks to talk with this coach and win him over. He is even pleased that they shook hands following a JV game. The content of this post sickens me, and that's completely apart from the immature and juvenile profanity the author uses in a frustrated attempt to express himself. He wonders why he has trouble moving up in the officiating ranks.

We have some officials with these same characteristics in my local association. They so badly want to work the top games and have everyone tell them how wonderful they are. It's all about them being at the center of attention with the bright lights on them. The sad truth is that these people are among the worst officials in our entire group. They just have the wrong mental make-up for officiating.

The amusing aspect of all of this is the official is convinced that he was scratched because of a call that his partner made. He never even considers that it might have been his own behavior in interacting with this coach that earned him a block.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The amusing aspect of all of this is the official is convinced that he was scratched because of a call that he partner made. He never even considers that it might have been his own behavior in interacting with this coach that earned him a block.

I'm assuming he got blocked for throwing his partner under the bus, to be honest. That, and coaches really don't like it when we let our partners make an obviously wrong call only to "explain it to him at the next break."

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is the post that is really telling.



From what I read here this young official badly wants the praise and recognition of this coach. He is almost obsessed with him. He is somehow in awe of this coach because he won a state championship. He is terribly upset that this guy scratched him and desperately desires to get back into his good graces. He completely threw his partner under the bus to this coach during a scrimmage when he should have had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. Now he seeks to talk with this coach and win him over. He is even pleased that they shook hands following a JV game. The content of this post sickens me, and that's completely apart from the immature and juvenile profanity the author uses in a frustrated attempt to express himself. He wonders why he has trouble moving up in the officiating ranks.

We have some officials with these same characteristics in my local association. They so badly want to work the top games and have everyone tell them how wonderful they are. It's all about them being at the center of attention with the bright lights on them. The sad truth is that these people are among the worst officials in our entire group. They just have the wrong mental make-up for officiating.

The amusing aspect of all of this is the official is convinced that he was scratched because of a call that he partner made. He never even considers that it might have been his own behavior in interacting with this coach that earned him a block.

LOL! Nevada, I think you are on-point!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by representing

But in the end, I did feel like an idiot that maybe I did get the call wrong.

Get used to it. That is, get used to having additional information given to you (or by you) on OOB plays (depending on the specific location of the play and the officials). It happens several times a season to all of us. You shouldn't feel like an idiot on this.

Originally Posted by representing

I'm not that type and I may be hanging up my whistle soon just for that reason. I kiss no one's A$$ just to move forward.

I mean this with all respect, but given your posts here (on the rules and mechanics), I'm not sure you are as good as you think you are. Having a healthy ego is fine, and needed to be a good official. Having an over-inflated ego is not. And, given your attitude toward "politics", it might be best for you if you did step away for a while.

Originally Posted by representing

I Found out he doesn't have an email address, so should I call him at his listed phone number to talk to him? Just looking for advice, which is a little OT from the OP.

Nothing good can come of this, and the fact that you even thought about it for more than a nano-second means that you care too much what the coaches think ("feel") about you and are in this to "please the coaches." Until you are in it only to do the best job you can *for the game* and let the coaches think / feel what they want you will not advance. It's a paradox -- you can't make the coaches happy until you don't care if they are happy.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Until you are in it only to do the best job you can *for the game* and let the coaches think / feel what they want you will not advance. It's a paradox -- you can't make the coaches happy until you don't care if they are happy.

This is right on. I believe that you absolutely must let no outside influences affect your judgment or management of the game. If you do, it will lead to trouble. If you don’t, you will be recognized and respected.

Rep, I know that these may have been some tough pills to swallow, but heed the advice given. As a ref it is imperative that you listen to input from your brethren. It will make you better.

[representing]

Thanks for all the tips, criticisms and advice. I want to be honest about last night, I went to the bar with some of my officiating buddies, and I may have had a few too much that I just did not control myself properly. For that, I apologize for the way my attitude was expressed through the posts in this thread.