And he probably still thinks I don't know the rule

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaqwells,

You do bring up an interesting point. Why do coaches question officials if they really have no understanding of the rules?

It's on the first page of the coaching manual.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It's on the first page of the coaching manual.

Maybe it's a good thing I've never seen the coaching manual then LMAO

[Rich]

I get a lot of crap over this and I know exactly why:

Too many officials say "on the floor" when they really should be granting free throws.

I don't. I can't help it those other officials and the coaches don't know the rules.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I get a lot of crap over this and I know exactly why:

Too many officials say "on the floor" when they really should be granting free throws.

I don't. I can't help it those other officials and the coaches don't know the rules.

I've posted about this before when you brought this up, but it reminds me. I have a partner that I'm friends with that I work with frequently, and he does a great job. BUT, this is the one thing that he consistently calls incorrectly IMO. I don't want to bring it up and seem like a know it all, so I don't say anything. We had a couple of them happen the other night where the player being fouled was clearly in the shooting motion (Caught a bounce pass and was gathering with both hands and starting up) and he waved the shot off.

[biggravy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I get a lot of crap over this and I know exactly why:

Too many officials say "on the floor" when they really should be granting free throws.

I don't. I can't help it those other officials and the coaches don't know the rules.

+1.

I see this waaaaaay too often. Kid starts the upward motion, arms up, on his toes but hasn't cleared the ground yet and it gets called on the floor. Huh?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Too many officials say "on the floor" when they really should be granting free throws.

+1

All pregames for which I'm R now include the request to banish the term "on the floor", as well as the the all-too-cool non-Fed point-to-the-floor gesture. Replacing that verbage with the more accurate "No shot!", if that's the case.
Has worked well with all partners thus far this year.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

+1

All pregames for which I'm R now include the request to banish the term "on the floor", as well as the the all-too-cool non-Fed point-to-the-floor gesture. Replacing that verbage with the more accurate "No shot!", if that's the case.
Has worked well with all partners thus far this year.

Shrug. I do not use the term "on the floor" but I will point to the spot if the foul is before the shooting motion has begun.

I will also (I know I shouldn't have to do this) hold my whistle just a bit longer in these situations -- I may have decided that there is a foul, but whistling it as the shooter is actually going up sells it that way just a bit better. Since I'm always working on having a good patient whistle, this happens a lot anyway -- it's usually non-regular partners or the prelim game officials that I see whistle quickly and call it "on the floor".

[riverfalls57]

Originally Posted by Freddy

+1

All pregames for which I'm R now include the request to banish the term "on the floor", as well as the the all-too-cool non-Fed point-to-the-floor gesture. Replacing that verbage with the more accurate "No shot!", if that's the case.
Has worked well with all partners thus far this year.

Great idea, I'm going to include this in my pregame from now on.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I get a lot of crap over this and I know exactly why:

Too many officials say "on the floor" when they really should be granting free throws.

I don't. I can't help it those other officials and the coaches don't know the rules.

Couldn't agree more. This is actually going to be part of my pregame with my regular high school crew tomorrow night. I'm guilty of it at times as well and we as officials need to change this.

[Adam]

Oddly, it actually came up during one of our association meetings in November, so most of our members are aware of the problem. I may have seen it used only once or twice this year by officials. Twice I've had partners' shooting fouls get questioned by the coach of the fouling team.

Like Rich, my whistle is typically late enough that it doesn't get questioned unless the coach is in a position to have a good view of it.

[zm1283]

It's okay. I had a coach in a JV tourney on Saturday tell me that when a player dives on the floor to secure a loose ball, it's a traveling violation if he slides at all after securing the ball. The sad thing is that this was a varsity coach who was coaching his JV team. His head really started spinning when I told him that the player can be rolling as well as long as he is still sliding and his momentum is still carrying him.