JUCO misery

[chartrusepengui]

Basically - I was watching the scramble from C. I saw A2 sitting on lane line my side when he picked up ball and covered it like FB halfback and was turning his head - IMO - to find an official and yell for TO. Before that could happen the whistle stopped play. R went to T to ask what the whistle was for.

I was watching players - and when they called me to confer everything had been decided - even a division line throw in for B. When I reminded him that in college most T's go to POI except for certain specific situations he got miffed for me saying anything about it. Then R was "thinking about going with a travel on A2" - as he was sitting on ground when whistle went off and said he thought he must have rolled to get that way- so still B ball but different spot. I asked him what he SAW. He finally admitted to not actually seeing that part of the play - and asked me what I actually saw. I told him A2's play was legal and he had possession when whistle stopped play. So POI was A - enline throw in at lane line extended.

That was the extent of what he wanted my input to be. It was like that from the pregame. I did my best and tried to help when possible but they were not really open to much of anything I said.

I'll be honest - at that point I was ready to be the he!! out of there.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Can you show me a quote where I said to teach them 3-man mechanics in 15 minutes? IMO, part of a good pregame is getting comfortable with your partners. During this discussion we can find out things that will help during the game.

I don't recall (virtually) meeting you. Hello, my name is Tom and I'm not your huckleberry.

Seriously, I'm very much aware that 3-man cannot be taught in 15 minutes, but I think something can always be gained from a good pregame. The more the OP knew about his crew the better they could have done. Maybe not in a structured way they were supposed to, but with a higher call accuracy.

Your post seemed to me to indicate that a pregame would have helped with 3 man mechanics. I apologize for reading too much into it. However, there is a big difference between a 2 man pre-game and a 3 man pre-game. Must of what you cover in a one does not apply to the other, namely because you are talking about specifics involving the mechanics you will be using. Sure there are things that transfer over. However, I do agree with you that a good pre-game is a must.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

Basically - I was watching the scramble from C. I saw A2 sitting on lane line my side when he picked up ball and covered it like FB halfback and was turning his head - IMO - to find an official and yell for TO. Before that could happen the whistle stopped play. R went to T to ask what the whistle was for.

I was watching players - and when they called me to confer everything had been decided - even a division line throw in for B. When I reminded him that in college most T's go to POI except for certain specific situations he got miffed for me saying anything about it. Then R was "thinking about going with a travel on A2" - as he was sitting on ground when whistle went off and said he thought he must have rolled to get that way- so still B ball but different spot. I asked him what he SAW. He finally admitted to not actually seeing that part of the play - and asked me what I actually saw. I told him A2's play was legal and he had possession when whistle stopped play. So POI was A - enline throw in at lane line extended.

That was the extent of what he wanted my input to be. It was like that from the pregame. I did my best and tried to help when possible but they were not really open to much of anything I said.

I'll be honest - at that point I was ready to be the he!! out of there.

Coach A should not have received a Class B technical for a substitute (#3) illegally entering the court. It falls under Article 1 of Class B technicals which only get assessed to the perpetrator.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by rwest

Your post seemed to me to indicate that a pregame would have helped with 3 man mechanics. I apologize for reading too much into it. However, there is a big difference between a 2 man pre-game and a 3 man pre-game. Must of what you cover in a one does not apply to the other, namely because you are talking about specifics involving the mechanics you will be using. Sure there are things that transfer over. However, I do agree with you that a good pre-game is a must.

For one, don't tell me to call down; I thought I followed up some of what I said by "seriously" which meant I wasn't serious in the first place. My pregame and your pregame are obviously different. I'm not giving a 3-man refresher clinic before every game so there is no need to assume that is what I was talking about. The situation is an obstacle. I feel like they could have done something, via a pregame, that would have helped the situation.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tomegun

For one, don't tell me to call down; I thought I followed up some of what I said by "seriously" which meant I wasn't serious in the first place. My pregame and your pregame are obviously different. I'm not giving a 3-man refresher clinic before every game so there is no need to assume that is what I was talking about. The situation is an obstacle. I feel like they could have done something, via a pregame, that would have helped the situation.

My bad! Sorry!

[Ref3]

What JUCO location?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref3

What JUCO location?

Hopefully not the one I'm at tonight.

Actually, I know who I'm working with and the assignor and I know they're not 3-person newbies. Been looking at the NFHS/NCAA differences this afternoon, though, and I'm still trying to figure out how they assessed 2 class B technical fouls for having six players on the floor.

[Ref3]

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ref3

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

Easier said than done, Chief. You'll note that in the OP, they did count and a player entered during live ball to make 6. It happens sometimes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref3

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

The interesting part is giving the class B technical to the coach for coming onto the court to alert the officials of the sixth player. One which I find absolutely correct, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The interesting part is giving the class B technical to the coach for coming onto the court to alert the officials of the sixth player. One which I find absolutely correct, too.

Yep, and at that point, I think it might be too late to penalize the sixth player. He might have come onto the court after the ball was whistled dead.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, and at that point, I think it might be too late to penalize the sixth player. He might have come onto the court after the ball was whistled dead.

You might be issuing a class A technical or two after that decision.

[Adam]

True.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, and at that point, I think it might be too late to penalize the sixth player. He might have come onto the court after the ball was whistled dead.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean he was beckoned.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yeah, but it doesn't mean he was beckoned.

Right, hit him with a bench T, unless you saw him at the table. That way, the coach gets an indirect.

Wait, I'm on HS now, never mind.