Interesting one

[Smitty]

Personally I would tell the player and the coach that she needed to leave the gym to change jerseys. If I didn't do that, I likely would not T the player, much to nevadaref's chagrin, I'm sure.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

I'm with Smitty on that one. Without instructing the player to leave it's prety hard to justify a T.

Saying that, as I do not officiate games under NF rules, this is an actual rule? FIBA does not address this.

Though to me (if I were a coach) it'd be common sense to have the player (male or female) head to the locker room to change. I guess some young people these days are less modest then when I was in HS.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta

I'm with Smitty on that one. Without instructing the player to leave it's prety hard to justify a T.

Saying that, as I do not officiate games under NF rules, this is an actual rule? FIBA does not address this.

Though to me (if I were a coach) it'd be common sense to have the player (male or female) head to the locker room to change. I guess some young people these days are less modest then when I was in HS.

Some gyms around here, it's like a mile hike to get to the locker room. I would allow the player to use a bathroom with the coach going out into the hallway with him/her, or to use a nearby storage room to change. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Just noticed everyone is saying "visual confine of the gymnasium". So that answers my question that they just have to leave the gym to change. If a girl wants to change out in the hallway, I just hope it doesn't end up on youtube

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by representing

Some gyms around here, it's like a mile hike to get to the locker room. I would allow the player to use a bathroom with the coach going out into the hallway with him/her, or to use a nearby storage room to change. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Just noticed everyone is saying "visual confine of the gymnasium". So that answers my question that they just have to leave the gym to change. If a girl wants to change out in the hallway, I just hope it doesn't end up on youtube

We are writing that because that's what the rule states. You might want to read it, ACE. 10-3-6h and 10-4-1h

You have much to learn, grasshopper.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

We are writing that because that's what the rule states. You might want to read it, ACE. 10-3-6h and 10-4-1h

You have much to learn, grasshopper.

10-3-6 and 10-4-1 regards technical fouls or ejections. We're talking about a bloody shirt or improper equipment that would require a player to change, i.e. undershirt is of a wrong color.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by representing

10-3-6 and 10-4-1 regards technical fouls or ejections. We're talking about a bloody shirt or improper equipment that would require a player to change, i.e. undershirt is of a wrong color.

Yeah? That's what the penalty is for changing in the visual confines of the playing area... a technical foul. Did you read them?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Yeah? That's what the penalty is for changing in the visual confines of the playing area... a technical foul. Did you read them?

Nope, he obviously didn't bother to read the citations. He's a young ACE.

He might be teachable, but the jury is still out.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Personally I would tell the player and the coach that she needed to leave the gym to change jerseys. If I didn't do that, I likely would not T the player, much to nevadaref's chagrin, I'm sure.

I've had this situation three times so far this season. I ALWAYS make it a point to instruct both the player and the coach that the change must take place outside of the gym. I've even said to take the player out in the hallway. Because of this I haven't had a problem with the shirt removal in the visual confines rule.

However, if the officials don't engage in good preventative officiating and the team member does remove the jersey inside of the visual confines of the gym, then the officials are obligated to charge the technical foul. That is the rule, it was broken, and you cannot ignore it just because you have not done something which you probably should have.

This is the same as not counting the players and having too many on the court when putting the ball into play. The coaches need to know the rules themselves and have their team members follow them. While the officials should take positive action to help prevent some infractions, the ultimate responsibility rests with the team.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by nevadaref

i've had this situation three times so far this season. I always make it a point to instruct both the player and the coach that the change must take place outside of the gym. I've ever said to take the player out in the hallway. Because of this i haven't had a problem with the shirt removal in the visual confines rule.

However, if the officials don't engage in good preventative officiating and the team member does remove the jersey inside of the visual confines of the gym, then the officials are obligated to charge the technical foul. That is the rule, it was broken, and you cannot ignore it just because you have not done something which you probably should have.

This is the same as not counting the players and having too many on the court when putting the ball into play. The coaches need to know the rules themselves and have their team members follow them. While the officials should take positive action to help prevent some infractions, the ultimate responsibility rests with the team.

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