T for 2

[j51969]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No way it was flagrant. It was a garden variety technical foul. The coach even told me at halftime (he walked right past us at halfcourt) he wasn't meaning for it to be heard by the stands and he was just firing up the team. As I told him earlier, it was forgotten as soon as I administered it and my partner sat him down (he talked at my partner for over a minute during the 4 FTs and not once did he ask a question, so my partner didn't say a single word) and I said it again and he didn't act up the rest of the game.

It's not like he said we were cheating or anything.

I get the fact that you aren't going to address statements. But if you going to stick your A$$ in his face on the sideline and not acknowledge him in some way you may want to give him some rope. IMO

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agree to a point. I have no problem answering questions, and if a coach asks a legitimate question I will answer it, but I'm not going to elicit one from him. To do so only invites a response that might escalate the situation. Suppose in response, he rephrases his statement and asks "When are you going to start calling it both ways?" Then what?

Rather than a verbal reply to an inappropriate comment, if I feel it can't be ignored I'll simply give him the stop sign. They all know what that means, and if they choose to ignore it they do so at their own peril.

Absolutely, if it is not an actual question, it does not deserve a response unless it is time for the stop sign or the T.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

I get the fact that you aren't going to address statements. But if you going to stick your A$$ in his face on the sideline and not acknowledge him in some way you may want to give him some rope. IMO

Huh? This was after I gave him the technical.

He gave the coach someone to listen to, which helped quite a bit. What would you suggest?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Agree to a point. I have no problem answering questions, and if a coach asks a legitimate question I will answer it, but I'm not going to elicit one from him. To do so only invites a response that might escalate the situation. Suppose in response, he rephrases his statement and asks "When are you going to start calling it both ways?" Then what?

Rather than a verbal reply to an inappropriate comment, if I feel it can't be ignored I'll simply give him the stop sign. They all know what that means, and if they choose to ignore it they do so at their own peril.

I totally get what you're saying. My response to that "question" would be pretty simple: "Coach, that's not a question about the play. We're done for now," and I move on.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I totally get what you're saying. My response to that "question" would be pretty simple: "Coach, that's not a question about the play. We're done for now," and I move on.

And his response would be, "It ended with a question mark, how is it not a question? Which, by the way is a question and you said I could ask questions."

If it isn't a legitimate question, don't answer at all. You'll only dig a hole for yourself.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

And his response would be, "It ended with a question mark, how is it not a question? Which, by the way is a question and you said I could ask questions."

If it isn't a legitimate question, don't answer at all. You'll only dig a hole for yourself.

I told him he could ask a question about the play. Not ask a question.

But, hey, I understand your POV. I've used both in the past and had success. If I get the sense that further communication isn't going to matter or isn't worth the effort, I don't include it. If the coach has been reasonable up to that point in the game I do.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by constable

It is interesting to get people's take on how things should be called. Not long ago we had a thread and it involved a coach attacking an officials integrity and cheating his team. Many people deemed that to be flagrant yet apparently this is different?

I am getting to this thread late. I guess I did not see it earlier or pay close attention.

But you cannot speak for all of us. I do not know if the comments above would even be a T unless there were coupled with some other comments. Sorry, but if that is all a coach said, that is not a T from me. And I do not know any official that said it is "flagrant" if they question your integrity or claim you are cheating their team. It might be a T, but you would have to show me where people said it was flagrant. And everyone has a right to their opinion, but many things have context and you need to say more than this to get a T every time.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm always amazed by the comments some people say to coaches. I wouldn't say either one of these things because I don't think it is my job to be smart/witty.

I think people should always officiate within their personality. It might not work for you just like cursing coaches out does not work for me or using the "stop sign" (I thought you would like that), but if it works for you that is really all that matters. And I do not see either comment as inappropriate unless you are yelling or letting everyone here what you have to say. I tend to be a smart azz sometimes and that works for me. But it also does not work in all situations and with all coaches.

Peace