T for 2

[Rich]

I've averaged about 1 head coach technical per season the last 3-4 years. They just (normally) don't cross the line in varsity contests around here.

Today I was working a boys varsity 2-person and a ball was stolen near the division line (the visiting coach wanted a foul) and naturally there's a shooting foul soon thereafter.

I'm reporting. The coach is LOUD. He finished with "that's terrible, you're just making a bunch of crap up." That caught my attention.

In the fourth quarter, my partner called a foul against the home team and as he was reporting a teammate walked past me and untucked his jersey and lifted the bottom over (and covered) his head.

At least my varsity girls game tonight was quiet.

[constable]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I've averaged about 1 head coach technical per season the last 3-4 years. They just (normally) don't cross the line in varsity contests around here.

Today I was working a boys varsity 2-person and a ball was stolen near the division line (the visiting coach wanted a foul) and naturally there's a shooting foul soon thereafter.

I'm reporting. The coach is LOUD. He finished with "that's terrible, you're just making a bunch of crap up." That caught my attention.

In the fourth quarter, my partner called a foul against the home team and as he was reporting a teammate walked past me and untucked his jersey and lifted the bottom over (and covered) his head.

At least my varsity girls game tonight was quiet.

automatic T

perhaps flagrant.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by constable

automatic T

perhaps flagrant.

Everybody sets their own line when it comes to "T"s. But in my experience, very few officials that I know would view that remark as being worthy of an ejection. I'm in that camp also.

Technical foul, yes. Flagrant, no.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

I made it this far in the season with just one T, but I had two yesterday in about 5 seconds. Men's rec (duh). Guy griping a little bit here and there most of the game, then with about 3 minutes left he loses his cool on a no-call and cries about it as we go down to the other end, so I pin him. As I report he walks by me and quietly says "kick me out too" so I did!

[Rich]

The home coach couldn't believe I called a technical for the kid pulling his jersey over his head. He asked, "what else did he do?" I simply said, "that's all it took."

This was the same guy who told me I was out of position about 30 seconds into the game. 2-person. I'm lead opposite. Ball goes out tableside sideline -- I didn't even know it went out until I heard this whistle, BTW -- I was watching the post-play dance underneath. Bump and run. As I was coming in front of his bench as the new trail, the coach said I should've been in position to help my partner out there. It was so absurd I actually laughed.

He then accused me of being out of position at a critical juncture late. Rebound kicked out wide and his player took it with his back to the bucket (about 82 feet away). He simply turned to dribble up the floor and a defender was right there and he bumped into the guy and fell to the floor. I called a travel. The defender had position and there was no foul to be called, really. He told me I missed the bump and was out of position. Given the comment in the first minute, I'm thinking he thinks "in position" means standing in his coaching box.

It was a long day. We finished the 2:30PM game about 4:15 and I had to get on the road to meet our third at 5PM and drive about an hour to our 7:15PM game, which was actually more fun to work than the afternoon game (it was 3-person and wasn't frantic, out-of-control action the whole game). The first beer tasted good, as did the burger. Pulled into the house about 12:30AM.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The home coach couldn't believe I called a technical for the kid pulling his jersey over his head. He asked, "what else did he do?" I simply said, "that's all it took."

Yes, that is all it takes

Originally Posted by RichMSN

This was the same guy who told me I was out of position about 30 seconds into the game. 2-person. I'm lead opposite. Ball goes out tableside sideline -- I didn't even know it went out until I heard this whistle, BTW -- I was watching the post-play dance underneath. Bump and run. As I was coming in front of his bench as the new trail, the coach said I should've been in position to help my partner out there. It was so absurd I actually laughed.

He then accused me of being out of position at a critical juncture late. Rebound kicked out wide and his player took it with his back to the bucket (about 82 feet away). He simply turned to dribble up the floor and a defender was right there and he bumped into the guy and fell to the floor. I called a travel. The defender had position and there was no foul to be called, really. He told me I missed the bump and was out of position. Given the comment in the first minute, I'm thinking he thinks "in position" means standing in his coaching box.

The second time the coach mention anything about positioning, I always mention that he is here to coach his kids and if he is watching my positioning his team is not obviously being coached. That usually solves the problem

-Josh

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The home coach couldn't believe I called a technical for the kid pulling his jersey over his head. He asked, "what else did he do?" I simply said, "that's all it took."

This was the same guy who told me I was out of position about 30 seconds into the game. 2-person. I'm lead opposite. Ball goes out tableside sideline -- I didn't even know it went out until I heard this whistle, BTW -- I was watching the post-play dance underneath. Bump and run. As I was coming in front of his bench as the new trail, the coach said I should've been in position to help my partner out there. It was so absurd I actually laughed.

He then accused me of being out of position at a critical juncture late. Rebound kicked out wide and his player took it with his back to the bucket (about 82 feet away). He simply turned to dribble up the floor and a defender was right there and he bumped into the guy and fell to the floor. I called a travel. The defender had position and there was no foul to be called, really. He told me I missed the bump and was out of position. Given the comment in the first minute, I'm thinking he thinks "in position" means standing in his coaching box.

It was a long day. We finished the 2:30PM game about 4:15 and I had to get on the road to meet our third at 5PM and drive about an hour to our 7:15PM game, which was actually more fun to work than the afternoon game (it was 3-person and wasn't frantic, out-of-control action the whole game). The first beer tasted good, as did the burger. Pulled into the house about 12:30AM.

This is also an automatic whack.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Men's wreck

Fixed it for ya'.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Everybody sets their own line when it comes to "T"s. But in my experience, very few officials that I know would view that remark as being worthy of an ejection. I'm in that camp also.

Technical foul, yes. Flagrant, no.

No way it was flagrant. It was a garden variety technical foul. The coach even told me at halftime (he walked right past us at halfcourt) he wasn't meaning for it to be heard by the stands and he was just firing up the team. As I told him earlier, it was forgotten as soon as I administered it and my partner sat him down (he talked at my partner for over a minute during the 4 FTs and not once did he ask a question, so my partner didn't say a single word) and I said it again and he didn't act up the rest of the game.

It's not like he said we were cheating or anything.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

"I'm not going to tell you how to coach, Coach, so let me take care of the officiating"

Originally Posted by jdmara

I always mention that he is here to coach his kids and if he is watching my positioning his team is not obviously being coached.

I'm always amazed by the comments some people say to coaches. I wouldn't say either one of these things because I don't think it is my job to be smart/witty.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

my partner sat him down (he talked at my partner for over a minute during the 4 FTs and not once did he ask a question, so my partner didn't say a single word)

Where was your partner in relation to the coach? Was he standing beside the coach, with his back to the coach, etc.?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm always amazed by the comments some people say to coaches. I wouldn't say either one of these things because I don't think it is my job to be smart/witty.



Where was your partner in relation to the coach? Was he standing beside the coach, with his back to the coach, etc.?

And I don't respond to comments unless I have to TCB. I didn't feel it was worth escalating there. I say something stupid or witty and he responds loudly and I've just baited him into something......

About the T:

Alongside with the coach slightly behind (him a step on court, coach in the box), completely non-confrontational. The coach talked, my partner stood there and listened, my partner calmly reminded him of the seatbelt. After the 4 FTs, my partner started over to administer the throw-in and I asked him to switch to put me opposite the table. Didn't look odd at all, just that we were coming together for a quick word before putting it back into play.

At halftime the home AD told me she knew the visiting coach extremely well and he gets his share of technical fouls.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm always amazed by the comments some people say to coaches. I wouldn't say either one of these things because I don't think it is my job to be smart/witty.


Where was your partner in relation to the coach? Was he standing beside the coach, with his back to the coach, etc.?

I am a Soldier 24/7 so being smart or witty isn't an issue. I will leave that to the Air Force All kidding aside it's not hard, but maybe an art form to bring coaches to your level and not rise to his/her's. I try to be very approachable without being a kiss ***, or constantly explain everything. It's like dealing with a PVT. I wish I could make coaches do push-up's.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm always amazed by the comments some people say to coaches. I wouldn't say either one of these things because I don't think it is my job to be smart/witty.

I think people should always officiate within their personality. It might not work for you just like cursing coaches out does not work for me or using the "stop sign" (I thought you would like that), but if it works for you that is really all that matters. And I do not see either comment as inappropriate unless you are yelling or letting everyone here what you have to say. I tend to be a smart azz sometimes and that works for me. But it also does not work in all situations and with all coaches.

Peace

[j51969]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No way it was flagrant. It was a garden variety technical foul. The coach even told me at halftime (he walked right past us at halfcourt) he wasn't meaning for it to be heard by the stands and he was just firing up the team. As I told him earlier, it was forgotten as soon as I administered it and my partner sat him down (he talked at my partner for over a minute during the 4 FTs and not once did he ask a question, so my partner didn't say a single word) and I said it again and he didn't act up the rest of the game.

It's not like he said we were cheating or anything.

I get the fact that you aren't going to address statements. But if you going to stick your A$$ in his face on the sideline and not acknowledge him in some way you may want to give him some rope. IMO

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

I get the fact that you aren't going to address statements. But if you going to stick your A$$ in his face on the sideline and not acknowledge him in some way you may want to give him some rope. IMO

Huh? This was after I gave him the technical.

He gave the coach someone to listen to, which helped quite a bit. What would you suggest?