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Are his fingers closed around it? Have to judge whether or not he is controlling it, I am probably saying he is not unless he is obviously palming it and moving it around....a htbt for sure... |
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Great point, Anchor.
If the player on the floor could contest the defender taking the ball, then yes...he was "holding " the ball. |
Well, yes, but...
4-25 HELD BALL A held ball occurs when: 4-25-1 Opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness. It doesn't say they are "holding"... |
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How can you have your hands firmly on the ball without holding it?
Let's get the NF to define what "holding ....a live ball inbounds" means. Until then my interpretation may be different from others. |
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Did the defender actually hold the ball? NO |
I know the rule sets are different, but the premise is the same, IMO. In football, a catch requires the ball not touch the ground; IOW the player does not catch it if he has trapped it with the ground. I would apply the same principal here, but only because the NFHS has not defined a player holding the ball.
If it's not clear, it's not a violation. |
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Case book play 4.25.2 Note the usage of the word "criterion". I learned that one from our resident cunning linguist, MByron. I are now wise beyond my years. |
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But that's OK.......:mad: |
JAR, I understand your point. The point I was trying to make concerns the player on the floor with his hand on the ball....not a defender blocking a shot.
Still the question is open: Does a hand on the ball while the ball is on the floor constitute holding the ball? Has anyone ever seen a player dive for a loose ball, put a hand on it, and request a time out? Do you grant it or not? If you believe he/she is "holding" the ball, you should grant the time out. If you believe they are not holding the ball you let play continue. I'm of the school I'd grant the time out. As Anchor said, if a defender then comes and puts their hand(s) on the ball, do you call a held ball? If the defender can't get it loose from the player on the floor with one hand on it, by definition, the player on the floor is "holding" it. I'd probably call a held ball also. |
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