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StripesOhio Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:31pm

Official in stands yelling
 
Looking for some input here:

There is certified official who travels to games in our area and sits in the stands. I'm not sure if he actually officiates any games or if just has his certification. He is also a member of my association.

While he is at games, he loves to bark and scream at calls (or no calls) made by officials on the floor. He has spoke up in meetings about what he does. He also asks about situations he sees and asks for clarification at said association meetings.

Tonight, I'm working a JVG game and my partner and I both called a very good game. We had no complaints from coaches or players (other than small questions about calls---no problems) in what was a fairly sloppy game.

Now, the guy mentioned above so happens to be at this game. And I hear him roaring from the stands most of the game. At one point, he was screaming so loud I looked at the home teams coach and put my hand up (as to say enough coach.) Immediately as I did this I realized it wasn't him who had yelled. As I passed him next time down the floor I told him I realized after I put a hand up that it wasn't him. He said no big deal.

Now, my question is this.

Is this sort of behavior tolerable from a certified official in the stands who is so vocal? Isn't his screaming and complaining bad for those on the floor? (not doing any favors)

My gut feeling is next time I see him at an association meeting that I'll politely tell him, "Next time I see you at a game I'm working and you are being overly loud and critical of the officials I'll have you ejected from the building." Hell, maybe I'll just report him to the State office.

Thoughts...

Freddy Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:41pm

Absolutely NOT!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 649511)
Is this sort of behavior tolerable from a certified official in the stands who is so vocal?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
If it is as you've described, report this guy to your association, your assignor, your state, whatever, that he may be dealt with.
If it is as you've described, this is not a problem of yours that you should feel compelled to deal with yourself.
Again, if it is as you've described, this man must be dealt with in the most strict way possible by those in authority.
Intolerable.
You can't be the only one who senses this, can you? What are you fellow officials saying?

muxbule Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:42pm

IMO you would treat him like any other fan. If the actions would cause you to have game management deal with any other fan then I would treat this guy the same as that.

tjones1 Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:43pm

While I doubt your State office cares, your local association should. In my opinion, that type of behavior is not tolerable. Officials are held to a higher standard and should know how to act.

StripesOhio Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:45pm

I think other officials just kind of blow him off, or officials who don't know who he is (outside the association) probably just ignore him.

I think those of us who know of him just sort of laugh it off. But I agree, officials are held to a higher standard and I just don't think this kind of behavior is acceptable.

Tonight was the first night I've officiated that he has been at a game.

grunewar Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:47pm

What a Jerk!
 
Report him. Don't let him walk all over his "fellow officials." (if he even is one).

KJUmp Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:47pm

This guy is no official.

Mark Padgett Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:49pm

I think you should just take him out and shoot him. :mad:

StripesOhio Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:55pm

Ya know, the more I read responses the more ticked off I get.

ODJ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 649524)
Ya know, the more I read responses the more ticked off I get.

Good.

ref2coach Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 649517)
While I doubt your State office cares,

My State office cares. A few years ago there was a Football official who had refereed the State Final in early December. In late December he was overly vocal at a Basketball game when his child was playing. His behavior was reported to his association, the State got wind of it and stepped in and ordered a 1 year suspension.

tjones1 Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 649529)
My State office cares. A few years ago there was a Football official who had refereed the State Final in early December. In late December he was overly vocal at a Basketball game when his child was playing. His behavior was reported to his association, the State got wind of it and stepped in and ordered a 1 year suspension.

Dang, +1.

Back In The Saddle Sat Jan 09, 2010 01:05am

Next time, have him removed. Just on principle. Stop the game and let everybody watch as he leaves.

CMHCoachNRef Sat Jan 09, 2010 01:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by StripesOhio (Post 649511)
Looking for some input here:

There is certified official who travels to games in our area and sits in the stands. I'm not sure if he actually officiates any games or if just has his certification. He is also a member of my association.

While he is at games, he loves to bark and scream at calls (or no calls) made by officials on the floor. He has spoke up in meetings about what he does. He also asks about situations he sees and asks for clarification at said association meetings.

Tonight, I'm working a JVG game and my partner and I both called a very good game. We had no complaints from coaches or players (other than small questions about calls---no problems) in what was a fairly sloppy game.

Now, the guy mentioned above so happens to be at this game. And I hear him roaring from the stands most of the game. At one point, he was screaming so loud I looked at the home teams coach and put my hand up (as to say enough coach.) Immediately as I did this I realized it wasn't him who had yelled. As I passed him next time down the floor I told him I realized after I put a hand up that it wasn't him. He said no big deal.

Now, my question is this.

Is this sort of behavior tolerable from a certified official in the stands who is so vocal? Isn't his screaming and complaining bad for those on the floor? (not doing any favors)

My gut feeling is next time I see him at an association meeting that I'll politely tell him, "Next time I see you at a game I'm working and you are being overly loud and critical of the officials I'll have you ejected from the building." Hell, maybe I'll just report him to the State office.

Thoughts...

Stripes,
I know an official from Central Ohio who was required to write a documented letter of apology to each of the officials in a similar situation. He refused. He was subsequently suspended until the letter was written.

zm1283 Sat Jan 09, 2010 01:40am

This guy would not be around anymore (officiating) if he was in our association.


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