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Back In The Saddle Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:13am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 649116)
Don't forget the T for the ugly tie he is probably wearing, too.

The ugly tie actually is grounds for immediate ejection! ;)

refprof Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:52pm

left foot on court = 1 Tech
right foot on court = 1 Tech
Catching ball = 1 tech

26 Year Gap Thu Jan 07, 2010 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 649120)
The ugly tie actually is grounds for immediate ejection! ;)

You missed the AAU reference. Which was all that was needed to know this was going to be a T. The next AAU coach I see wearing a tie will be the first one. And 10' onto the court probably means the guy was venturing out there further and further and the crew did not want to take care of business. And they still didn't when the situation occurred.

Q: What do you call a guy who has officiated no higher than the JV level after 25 years?
A: That guy.

CoachCER Thu Jan 07, 2010 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 649178)
You missed the AAU reference. Which was all that was needed to know this was going to be a T. The next AAU coach I see wearing a tie will be the first one. And 10' onto the court probably means the guy was venturing out there further and further and the crew did not want to take care of business. And they still didn't when the situation occurred.

Q: What do you call a guy who has officiated no higher than the JV level after 25 years?
A: That guy.


Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

26 Year Gap Thu Jan 07, 2010 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by CoachCER (Post 649198)
Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

He handled it as well as they handled it.

Adam Thu Jan 07, 2010 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 649199)
He handled it as well as they handled it.

Agreed. They should have made the call and talked to him about it later. They should have also put baby back into the corner.

tomegun Thu Jan 07, 2010 02:46pm

If I was the other coach you would probably have to throw me out. :D

Think of all the chaos that we would have if we let each coach have the opportunity to catch one pass per game. It would introduce a whole new strategy. Why only go 10 feet onto the court, why not all the way to the other side. Shoot, on a key possession the coach should just get under the hoop and play D.

Ridiculous.

Texas Aggie Thu Jan 07, 2010 03:52pm

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A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one).
A warning? Are you serious?

This is a no-brainer T.

chartrusepengui Thu Jan 07, 2010 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 649226)
A warning? Are you serious?

Coach - I'm only going to tell you this once. You can't be 10 feet out on the floor - I simply will not tolerate that. You stay within 8 feet of the sideline or I'm going to have to do something drastic! I mean it. :rolleyes:

Adam Thu Jan 07, 2010 04:07pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 649226)
A warning? Are you serious?

This is a no-brainer T.

Note I said "at least." I say that because I'm averse to the term "automatic."

If he's requesting a timeout and he's completely out of the play, I'll give him one warning. That's the only thing I can come up with that might mitigate the call, though.

Upward ref Fri Jan 08, 2010 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by CoachCER (Post 649198)
Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

Well it's another good lesson for me ; what not to do ! :rolleyes:

Nevadaref Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:20am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 649231)
If he's requesting a timeout and he's completely out of the play, I'll give him one warning. That's the only thing I can come up with that might mitigate the call, though.

Unfortunately, too many people hold this opinion. They seem to believe that it is okay for the coach to run out onto the court to request a time-out. I'm not in the camp which excuses that.

The coaches need to understand that they have to communicate their request from within the confines of the coaching box. Perhaps they could learn to have their players echo the request. ;)

bbcoach7 Sun Jan 10, 2010 01:07am

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Originally Posted by CoachCER (Post 648956)
You would think so, wouldn't you? I brought this up because of the advantage/disadvantage discussion I read and how it related to violations.

The ball was awarded to Team B on the sideline. The explanation given was that "A1 was going to throw the ball away anyway, so Team B did not gain an advantage by the coach being on the court. A1 should have realized he was not passing to a teammate. If Coach B was between A1 and a teammate, I would call a technical on him."

Awarded to Team B? Yeah that's the kind of bizzare, twisted, unjustified by a rule book, self will imposed ruling, that creates howler monkeys out of otherwise well behaved coaches. Not that monkeys howling is ever justified, just to point out this is how you create one out of nothing. :eek:

BktBallRef Sun Jan 10, 2010 01:56am

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Originally Posted by CoachCER (Post 648948)
14U boys AAU tournament in the 1st half. Team B is applying a full court press on Team A. Team B traps A1 on the sideline in the backcourt. A1 steps through the trap, and fires a pass downcourt that is caught...by Team B's coach, who is standing about 10' on the court (he is inside the 3-point line).
Call?

See ya!

CoachCER Sun Jan 10, 2010 02:00am

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Originally Posted by bbcoach7 (Post 649639)
Awarded to Team B? Yeah that's the kind of bizzare, twisted, unjustified by a rule book, self will imposed ruling, that creates howler monkeys out of otherwise well behaved coaches. Not that monkeys howling is ever justified, just to point out this is how you create one out of nothing. :eek:

I have coached over 700 games at different levels, and have around 7 total technicals. That was one of them. And I would do it again. I.just.could.not.accept.that.logic.


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