Coach on the court. What is your call?
 

14U boys AAU tournament in the 1st half. Team B is applying a full court press on Team A. Team B traps A1 on the sideline in the backcourt. A1 steps through the trap, and fires a pass downcourt that is caught...by Team B's coach, who is standing about 10' on the court (he is inside the 3-point line).
Call?

T

You would think so, wouldn't you? I brought this up because of the advantage/disadvantage discussion I read and how it related to violations.

The ball was awarded to Team B on the sideline. The explanation given was that "A1 was going to throw the ball away anyway, so Team B did not gain an advantage by the coach being on the court. A1 should have realized he was not passing to a teammate. If Coach B was between A1 and a teammate, I would call a technical on him."

What he said.........

A/D does not apply to technical fouls. I'm editing as I write this, so you're not getting my first thoughts.

A coach 10 feet on the court is going to get at least a warning from me (and only one). A coach 10 feet on the court who catches a live ball is going to get a seat belt and find himself half way to Disqualified.

Gee, you're getting soft in your old age Snaq!:D

He will probably find himself all the way disqualified if I am the calling official.

Hmmm... Coming 10 feet onto the court and catching a live ball which was passed by the opposing team--Is this unacceptable behavior?

Yes, it is unacceptable behavior. But I don't think it is so far over the line that it warrants immediate ejection.

As always, just my $0.02.

Whack. No brainer.

Also a no brainer that it's not flagrant.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 12: Team B has just scored to go up by three points with time running out in the fourth quarter. Player A1 inbounds the ball to A2 close to the sideline of Team B's bench. A2 releases a three-point try just prior to the horn sounding. Substitute B7 leaves the bench area, enters the court and blocks the shot. RULING: B7 shall be charged with two technical fouls and ejected. One technical foul is assessed for entering the court without permission and one for unsporting conduct. Any member of Team A may shoot the four free throws for the technical fouls. The results of these free throws will determine if the game is over or going into overtime. COMMENT: Two technical fouls must be assessed in this situation. Otherwise, the team committing the infraction would benefit from the act. (10-4-1; 10-4-2)

Apple situation to the orange play posted in the OP.

Nevada this may have been asked before but do you have a cross reference rolodex of rules that points you back to an appropriate year for a rule interp. Or are you just that amazing?

That ties for the stoopidest call ever made.

I agree but could you reveal what it is tied with. I assume it must be a doozy because this one is really stupid.

I went ahead and highlighted the important part of this interp; you know, the part that explains why two Ts must be issued here. Oddly, it's also the part that makes this completely different than the OP.

T on the home team for a mom coming onto the court to check on her injured child?

Thanks, now I understand why it is a tie. Holy crap. The only thing that could be added as icing on the cake is if you said the calls were by the same official. :D

I think mine still falls short, I haven't actually heard of it being called; just suggested. :)

I agree. I was Coach A, and ended up with a "T" before all was said and done. I initially couldn't get any explanation other than "your player was going to throw it away anyway."
After the T, the ref who made the call did give me the better explanation, but I was still not pleased. He let me say my piece on A/D, and did say he knew where I was coming from, but didn't want to punish the other coach for making an "innocent" mistake. I pointed out that an innocent mistake is one foot on the court, not out 10' on the court.

There is no better explanation for that one. :)

Advantage/disadvantage has got nothing to do with interfering with play. You just don't do it, deliberately or accidentally.

Unfortunately, some officials can always find an excuse not to call a warranted and deserved technical foul, no matter what.

I should have said "more in depth" explanation. :p

I'd bet my next game fee that the overly generous A/D official in the OP is, at this very moment, telling tonight's partner how he has never needed to call a T in his entire 21 years of officiating. :rolleyes:

Please, for the love of all that's holy, put this interp away! Every time it appears in public it sets off another wave of posters arguing to impose multiple penalties for single infractions. :eek:

rofl

This Situation fits a little better:
10.2.1 SITUATION B: Team A substitute No. 24: (a) reports to the scorer, but enters the court without being beckoned; or (b) goes directly from the bench and onto the court without being beckoned. RULING: One technical foul is charged to No. 24 in (a) and (b). In (b), even though No. 24 failed to comply with both requirements, only one foul is charged.

Nah, it doesn't mention anything about the kid touching the ball or interfering with play. The OP has the coach not only on the inbounds area of the floor, but also catching a pass made by the opposing team.

The interps has both elements, "enters the court and blocks the shot."

So whether or not you agree that the situation warrants two technical fouls, your citation is NOT a better fit for the OP.

I had loud complaints from the visiting coach earlier this year when the home coach caught the ball while standing in the box.

I know its awesome!

1. Leaving bench - T
2. Unsporting - T
3. Sixth on the court - T
4. Not properly equipped. - T

Should have been 4 T's :D

Don't forget the T for the ugly tie he is probably wearing, too.

The ugly tie actually is grounds for immediate ejection! ;)

left foot on court = 1 Tech
right foot on court = 1 Tech
Catching ball = 1 tech

You missed the AAU reference. Which was all that was needed to know this was going to be a T. The next AAU coach I see wearing a tie will be the first one. And 10' onto the court probably means the guy was venturing out there further and further and the crew did not want to take care of business. And they still didn't when the situation occurred.

Q: What do you call a guy who has officiated no higher than the JV level after 25 years?
A: That guy.

Now here is the odd part. This was a 3-man crew, two of whom I know do varsity games, with the third being a younger guy who was working his way up to that level. He is the one that gave me the "explanation" on not calling the tech.
I am still not sure why the two experienced officials did not get involved. There were evaluators present from a local association who were using part of this tournament for training/evaluations for those wanting to move up the next season (or so they explained to me later), and the impression I got was they left the newbie swinging in the breeze to see how he would handle it.

He handled it as well as they handled it.

Agreed. They should have made the call and talked to him about it later. They should have also put baby back into the corner.

If I was the other coach you would probably have to throw me out. :D

Think of all the chaos that we would have if we let each coach have the opportunity to catch one pass per game. It would introduce a whole new strategy. Why only go 10 feet onto the court, why not all the way to the other side. Shoot, on a key possession the coach should just get under the hoop and play D.

Ridiculous.

A warning? Are you serious?

This is a no-brainer T.

Coach - I'm only going to tell you this once. You can't be 10 feet out on the floor - I simply will not tolerate that. You stay within 8 feet of the sideline or I'm going to have to do something drastic! I mean it. :rolleyes:

Note I said "at least." I say that because I'm averse to the term "automatic."

If he's requesting a timeout and he's completely out of the play, I'll give him one warning. That's the only thing I can come up with that might mitigate the call, though.

Well it's another good lesson for me ; what not to do ! :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, too many people hold this opinion. They seem to believe that it is okay for the coach to run out onto the court to request a time-out. I'm not in the camp which excuses that.

The coaches need to understand that they have to communicate their request from within the confines of the coaching box. Perhaps they could learn to have their players echo the request. ;)

Awarded to Team B? Yeah that's the kind of bizzare, twisted, unjustified by a rule book, self will imposed ruling, that creates howler monkeys out of otherwise well behaved coaches. Not that monkeys howling is ever justified, just to point out this is how you create one out of nothing. :eek:

See ya!

I have coached over 700 games at different levels, and have around 7 total technicals. That was one of them. And I would do it again. I.just.could.not.accept.that.logic.

Perhaps my problem is I've never actually seen a coach come onto the court so far. Here, they just get louder, or closer along the sideline, to get me to hear them.

Amen to getting the players to echo, that stopped when they got the ability to request it themselves.

For the record, are you saying that you would issue a flagrant technical foul directly to the head coach?

Does this mean the potential for a 7 point play? The 3 goes in, a bench players comes onto the court (T #1) and takes out the shooter (T #2). Let's just hope the lead doesn't have a rebounding foul underneath while in the double bonus.

I've had the parent on the floor situation (and didn't whack him) and would much prefer that situation to this one.

In my case, being hearing-impaired, I tell the coaches that if I'm in front of your bench and I don't hear you requesting time out, feel free to come onto the court to tap me on the shoulder and say "time-out". But if they come on for any other reason, automatic T from me. I will not let them abuse that little bit o' freedom.

EDIT: corrected.

Perhaps this is why you aren't listening to the veteran officials on this forum. ;)

Deaf jokes? Really Nevada? Really. :rolleyes:

:). I almost spit up the coffee on the keyboard.

As you this forum is all text, so it was clearly not intended in that manner.