Basket Interfernce / Goaltending

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Gargil

A1 drives to the basket and is fouled by B1 while shooting, B2 pulls on net while trying to block shot, shaking the backboard and rim while the ball bounces off of the backboard and rim and does not go in.

... in more detail what "B2 pulls on net while trying to block shot" means.
Grabbing net with one hand and attempting block with the other?
Attempting block, hitting net, getting 'caught' in it and thus pulling it?

[Gargil]

The ball was above the cylindar coming down to the rim and B2 was coming across the lane and it looked like he got caught in the net and was trying to avoid contact with A1 and B1 who were falling to the ground after the foul on the layup/short jump shot.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Gargil

The ball was above the cylindar coming down to the rim and B2 was coming across the lane and it looked like he got caught in the net and was trying to avoid contact with A1 and B1 who were falling to the ground after the foul on the layup/short jump shot.

Sounds like BI, no T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like BI, no T.

Agree in that situation(if the ball was on or within the basket). However that situation is completely different than the one described in the OP.

Two different situations described with two different rulings.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gargil

The ball was above the cylindar coming down to the rim and B2 was coming across the lane and it looked like he got caught in the net and was trying to avoid contact with A1 and B1 who were falling to the ground after the foul on the layup/short jump shot.

Now you're citing 2 completely different situations. In one the player is trying to block a shot while grabbing the net. In the other, he's pulling on the net to try to avoid falling on a player under him.

If you want a correct answer, you have to pick one or the other. They're completely different situations, rules-wise.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now you're citing 2 completely different situations. In one the player is trying to block a shot while grabbing the net. In the other, he's pulling on the net to try to avoid falling on a player under him.

If you want a correct answer, you have to pick one or the other. They're completely different situations, rules-wise.

I thnk he now has 4 different situations:

1) Ball is either on the basket or in the imaginary cylinder when the net pulling occurs

2) Grabs the net while blocking the shot or pulls on it to avoid players.

No wonder he can't get an answer to his question -- he doesn't know what the question is.

(And, I don't mean that as demeaning to the OP. It's just an example of why precision is important -- sometimes even the difference between "baseline" and "endline" might matter. And, it's an example of how mistaken rulings get passed around.)

[Gargil]

I was not working the V game, I was spectating. I saw the ball in the imaginary cylindar and non intentional BI. Count the basket and shoot one freethrow.
The Officials had a long conference and decided no shot, foul on the floor. (I thought was a bad call)
I was asking the question to see if I would have administered what I saw correctly. The grabbing of the net was a judgement call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Gargil

I saw the ball in the imaginary cylindar and non intentional BI. Count the basket and shoot one freethrow.
The Officials had a long conference and decided no shot, foul on the floor. (I thought was a bad call)
I was asking the question to see if I would have administered what I saw correctly. The grabbing of the net was a judgement call.

It is not BI to grab the ring/net when the ball is in the cylinder. And it is not a technical foul to grasp the ring/net if you're doing so to avoid an injury. And intent NEVER is a factor in determining whether BI or goaltending should be called. And it's the calling official's judgment ONLY that decides whether a player was fouled before or in the act of shooting.

All of that adds up to us really not knowing what the exact situation was.

Little advice.....don't label anything as being a "bad call" when you don't have any idea what the call actually was.

[AKOFL]

I have not found where is says to T a player for hanging on the net. The T for hanging on the rim I have found. Do we reason this to be the same thing. The net is treated the same as the rim as far as hanging on goes?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It is not BI to grab the ring/net when the ball is in the cylinder.

Except for one possible piece that no one has mentioned (or I overlooked it)....

If the basket is grabbed (pulled down) such that the rim has not returned to its normal position when the ball contacts the rim, it is also BI...even if the grab occurs with the ball in the cylinder.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I thnk he now has 4 different situations:

1) Ball is either on the basket or in the imaginary cylinder when the net pulling occurs

2) Grabs the net while blocking the shot or pulls on it to avoid players.

No wonder he can't get an answer to his question -- he doesn't know what the question is.

(And, I don't mean that as demeaning to the OP. It's just an example of why precision is important -- sometimes even the difference between "baseline" and "endline" might matter. And, it's an example of how mistaken rulings get passed around.)

Agree. Good point made for everybody about being very specific if you want a correct answer to your question.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Gargil

The ball was above the cylindar coming down to the rim and B2 was coming across the lane and it looked like he got caught in the net and was trying to avoid contact with A1 and B1 who were falling to the ground after the foul on the layup/short jump shot.

Okay, now that I've had my caffeine:
"Above the cylinder," to me, implies it was not on the basket. It was above it. BI is not an option here with the net.

From your first post, I'm not sure if the ball hit the rim before the rim returned to it's original position. If the rim was just shaking, which is how you worded it, then I'm assuming the rim never really left it's original position.

No BI.

If the player was trying to protect himself by grabbing the net, you shouldn't call the T either.

It's nothing but the original shooting foul, then.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Except for one possible piece that no one has mentioned (or I overlooked it)....

If the basket is grabbed (pulled down) such that the rim has not returned to its normal position when the ball contacts the rim, it is also BI...even if the grab occurs with the ball in the cylinder.

Got it.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

From your first post, I'm not sure if the ball hit the rim before the rim returned to it's original position. If the rim was just shaking, which is how you worded it, then I'm assuming the rim never really left it's original position.

No BI.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by referee99

... in more detail what "B2 pulls on net while trying to block shot" means.
Grabbing net with one hand and attempting block with the other?
Attempting block, hitting net, getting 'caught' in it and thus pulling it?

What difference does it make in either of those situations?

They're both technical fouls. The only exception is if the player grasped the net to avoid injury, and it's kinda tough to say that if the player is trying to block the ball at the same time.