Like most absolute statements, this is not always true.

LMAO Well I could of said right in the middle of the play :rolleyes:

Basically I was meaning, by being sarcastic, on the floor.

How about "from a location which provides a clear view"?

A clearer definition: see above LMAO :D:eek:;)

Are you serious? The correct but unpopular call happens as often as once or twice a game. Backcourt calls typically fit into this, as do technical fouls, allowing a player to be in the lane for rebound after rebound, etc.

And can you tell me where in this thread someone denied mistakes are made by officials? No where.

I simply said for chseagle to try assuming the official saw something different, and if he has a question and the officials are open to him asking, to ask away.

Why is it that when TheOracle speaks, it so often sounds like a very different bodily noise? Smells like it too.

About 2 weeks ago home scorer,the official book, couldn't keep his yapper shut.;) I then asked the quiet as a mouse visitors scorer if I could see her book. The visitors book looked oh so perfect. She had very nice handwriting , a pleasant personality and most importantly ...she was quiet.:)

The home team HC wasn't happy about the new official book but he survived.:rolleyes:

Those "plus, zero, or minus" gradings are done by reviewing game tape/film/dvd, not on the sidelines by an evaluator.

Professionalism starts with the individual. You don't need an association or a patch on your shirt to act professional. Just do it! If the others around you at the table choose not to, so be it. Let the AD handle that.
Make yourself a New Year's resolution...I'm am going to conduct myself in a professional manner at the table at all times. From the time I arrive at the gym until the time that I leave. I'm going to work to become the most professional timer that I can be.
Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut. When your at the table don't act/think like a fan (it's unprofessional)...act like a timer with a responsible and importantt job to do. When your at the table don't try to be a ref, (it's unprofessional) act like a timer with a responsible and important job to do. We all need/appreciate good timers..especially ones that act in both word and deed in professional manner.....before the game, during the game, during the intermissions, and after the game.

I agree with everything you have said. Many others imply that people in the stands are not qualified or cannot see well enough to know when a mistake is made. It's sanctimonious, and unhelpful to those officials to think in that closed a fashion. As to your examples, I understand--those are not contentious issues in the games I officiate or assign.

I think what chseagle is doing is great.

So you think it's okay for a table person to tell the other people at the table the refs just screwed up? You think it's ok for an official sitting in the stands evaluating the officials on the floor to tell the fans sitting around him that the officials just screwed up?

How many times do the fans get on you for a call you got right? Often, in my experience. That means they think I made a mistake either by rule or by judgment. I can live with that from the fans, but I'm not going to accept if from the table crew. You may as well have your partner telling the table crew (yeah, my partner missed a travel but he was straight lined.) This has nothing to do with being thin skinned, it's about crew integrity.

The questions has been asked already, but why would the table crew assume one of their own knows better than the official on the court?

If a coach asks me why I missed something, and I may have, I'll tell him why. The few times I've had to do this, it works. But I don't want my partners or the table crew either calling out mistakes or making excuses for me.

I'm not surprised.

Is it me or has Chseagle's story changed/developed during this thread? He said something, said something low, is trying to stop, has stopped, says something to the other table crew. Whatever the case may be, if this guy is so good, why not get on the floor instead of sitting at the table? The game needs good officials...if you are as good as your comments indicate. I highly doubt it and would suggest more listening and less talking.

Again, we are in agreement. If a table crew is visibly reacting negatively, it gets addressed. One time I removed the scoreboard operator from he table area for shaking his head about calls after I asked him to stop doing it. I have probably seen that 2-3 times in 30 years. Paid evaulators in stands are doing, a job, and nobody around them will know what they are doing or what their opinions are. They are far to busy observing and filling out sheets. Making general comments? No need to have rabbit ears about anything.

I have stated in a previous post, that due to health conditions, I am unable to be an official. I would love to be an official, but cause of my health, i cannot.