Time out if......

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Brad

Why?


I've used this very simple process for the last 15 years and every successful official that I know does the same:

Coach: "Give me a time-out if it goes in."

Me: "You got it."

*** Ball goes in ***

Me: **tweet** "Time-out"


I know that this is going to bring out some Rulebook Robbies that love to get caught up in the minutiae of the rules, but this is such a great example of when common sense prevails.

I do the same. Hasn't bit me in 23 years. I'll still look in the direction of the coach, though, to see if he's changed his mind.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Pay attention to your primary. It's not your job to monitor for the conditional time-out.

Awareness of timeout scenarios separates officials, like it or not. It's not like you have to stare at the ball handler, either. You *know* where the ball is with your periphgeral vision -- besides, if the ball is still in the backcourt, the odds of nefarious things happening in the front court are pretty small.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

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Awareness of timeout scenarios separates officials, like it or not. It's not like you have to stare at the ball handler, either. You *know* where the ball is with your periphgeral vision -- besides, if the ball is still in the backcourt, the odds of nefarious things happening in the front court are pretty small.

Maybe where you work, but around here a lot of nefarious things jump off away from the ball.

As the new Lead (especially in 2-man) I'm keeping my eyes on the pack, not watching to see when the ball crosses halfcourt so I can grant a time-out that was requested 10 seconds earlier. How about the coach directing his request to the new Trail who will crossing the division line with the ball handler?

Otherwise the coach is taking the risk of getting a time-out granted while the ball is still in the backcourt, similar to JRut's scenario.

[Back In The Saddle]

I occasionally get the "time out if he makes it" request during free throws, and that's not a problem. But what came up in Jeff's game is a little over the top. I'm not the freakin' maitre d', I don't take reservations for time outs.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe where you work, but around here a lot of nefarious things jump off away from the ball.

As the new Lead (especially in 2-man) I'm keeping my eyes on the pack, not watching to see when the ball crosses halfcourt so I can grant a time-out that was requested 10 seconds earlier. How about the coach directing his request to the new Trail who will crossing the division line with the ball handler?

Otherwise the coach is taking the risk of getting a time-out granted while the ball is still in the backcourt, similar to JRut's scenario.

Much ado about nothing. You can still watch the pack and keep an eye on the coach. Tell me that you don't look for a time out request when a team has just given up 8 straight points (or some such). Situational awareness.

Too many things on this forum degrade into "if you're watching something else you can't be watching what you're supposed to be watching." And my response is that my field of vision is pretty wide and I can take quick glances when they need to be taken. YMMV. Shrug.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Much ado about nothing. You can still watch the pack and keep an eye on the coach. Tell me that you don't look for a time out request when a team has just given up 8 straight points (or some such). Situational awareness.

Too many things on this forum degrade into "if you're watching something else you can't be watching what you're supposed to be watching." And my response is that my field of vision is pretty wide and I can take quick glances when they need to be taken. YMMV. Shrug.

What's does this have to do with what I was responding to originally. This is what I responded to:

Coach asked for a timeout when the ball made it passed the division line. The request was made while the ball was still in the back court. It was a little awkward since I had to watch the ball coming up the court instead of watching the players in my primary.

What situational awareness? No press, no 8-point run. Just a coach asking for a delayed time-out during live ball action. Apples and oranges.

There is more than one official on the court. And I have had a supervisor who doesn't like for every official on the court looking for time-out requests.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You can still watch the pack and keep an eye on the coach. Tell me that you don't look for a time out request when a team has just given up 8 straight points (or some such). Situational awareness.

Agree...but to clarify that's got nuthin' to do with the point I was trying to make.

You should be ready to grant that TO request. Abso-freaking-lutely! In this case the coach should be making you aware that he's gonna be asking for a TO. What the coach is doing though is trying to get you to do his job, not yours. What he's doing is putting the onus on you to stop play when he wants it stopped, not him. If the coach is doing what he's supposed to be doing, he should be telling his players to call the TO as soon as a shot or a FT is made. Aamof teaching his players how to call a quick TO when needed should be part of their practice schedule. I agree that he also should be letting us know that he will want a TO under those circumstances. If he does that, then we can do what we're supposed to do---> be prepared for the TO request from either him or any of his players, grant it as soon as the ball is dead or in possession of one of his players and the request is made, and also take a look at the game clock immediately on granting the TO (in case we have to add some time back on).

Situational awareness can also include letting the coach know exactly what he has to do in order to ensure that he gets that quick TO that he wants. It's as simple as saying "Coach, as soon as the ball is dead, either you or one of your players holler for the TO. We'll be ready." You can also let your partners know if you get a chance too. If all of the officials in his area do handle it that way, he'll learn in one helluva hurry the procedure that he has to follow.

Again, jmo.

[JRutledge]

JR, exactly.

What can you be situational aware of if you have never had another coach ask or request a timeout in that situation. Actually, I would not think a timeout would necessarily have been appropriate in that situation. They were not going to win with 5 seconds left and down by 11. Of course things can happen, but if this shot went in, then you would still have to make up 8 other points in less than 5 seconds. I could see if this was a one point game after the shot or even before the shot. But not with a lead that was obvious. And I will keep saying this, I gave timeouts during other portions of the game where teams would have wanted them or requested them. But they usually do that when they want the timeout, not making me have to figure out what they mean.

I will also say that if he had said first, "If the ball goes in I want a time out" then I would have probably paused. But when the first words come out of your mouth is "Time out" I do not want to ignore that just to try to hear the rest. Usually coaches are frantic anyway when they ask for a timeout. I want to give it to them when they properly. And for the record this coach is not very well respected by officials for his whining. So if I did not give him a timeout, he would have complained about that too. Just another day in the life I guess.

Peace

[just another ref]

Perhaps what I said is overstated. Coach says I want a TO after the make. I say ask for it then. He nods. FT..... I look at the coach. He has his hands in the T sign. TO granted. I feel like 9 times out of ten when the coach says I want TO after, if I simply nod, when I look again he would still be making the sign. Grant the request when it can be made.

What if coach just said "TO after this free throw."

Then his team gets the rebound. You grant the TO then his player puts it back in.