No T, no credibility?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dacodee

Perception, Perception, Perception... In that order...

It doesn't matter what was said. Coach was warned for something and the entire building saw it. Whenever or whatever coach gets whacked for, everyone knows he was warned earlier.

With regards to my assigner believing me or not, I'm not too concerned about that because my game was well managed by taking care of business and going about it in an appropriate manner. I gave the Perception that coach was warned for something. I/My partner whacked coach because the Perception was that he got a warning for something he/she said/did earlier. Beside, if you whack'em without a public warning, everyone in the building is wondering why coached got whacked.

Every T in Colorado comes with a report, so the only people that really matter will get my side of the story. As for the people in the crowd, if I don't care what they think about my lack of 3 second calls, why am I going to care what they think about my technical fouls?

Whose perception are you concerned about? If it's not your assigner, it's got to be someone.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by dacodee

Perception, Perception, Perception... In that order...

It doesn't matter what was said. Coach was warned for something and the entire building saw it. Whenever or whatever coach gets whacked for, everyone knows he was warned earlier.

With regards to my assigner believing me or not, I'm not too concerned about that because my game was well managed by taking care of business and going about it in an appropriate manner. I gave the Perception that coach was warned for something. I/My partner whacked coach because the Perception was that he got a warning for something he/she said/did earlier. Beside, if you whack'em without a public warning, everyone in the building is wondering why coached got whacked.

I don't worry about what everyone in the building thinks. If that's why you're doing it, I disagree with the practice even more. Some officials feel the need to be able to show on tape to their assignor they did something. And, some assignors promote this procedure. If so, you do it because you work for them.

That said, I'm not doing it to please the crowd. If the other coach is upset at that coach's antics, I can communicate that I addressed it. I just don't see how a very public admonishment is better for the in-game relationship than a verbal warning that only the coach hears. He then doesn't feel he got shown up in public, which is what we whack coaches for.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by lmeadski

What do you all think are the consequences for NOT giving a T when a coach crosses the line? I coached for a number of years before reffing (this is my 3rd year doing varsity, 5th overall). I have been slow to give Ts, giving the coaches much rope. Do you feel the coaches lose respect for refs that don't whack them when appropriate? Or, do they appreciate a ref that is willing to listen and be patient with them when they blow a gasket? I used to think it was the latter, now I am beginning to question that.

If you don't give a Tee when it's earned you make it tougher for the next crew that works a game involving that team. We all have different "levels of tolerance" and I can't tell you when a Tee is warranted. I just "know" when to do it. This is something you have to figure out for yourself.

Frankly doing varsity games (I'm assuming High school) after 2 years reffing would be tough to achieve where I work, Coaching and reffing are mutally exclusive. Get rid of that Coaching attitude. You're an official and not a coach

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Every T in Colorado comes with a report, so the only people that really matter will get my side of the story. As for the people in the crowd, if I don't care what they think about my lack of 3 second calls, why am I going to care what they think about my technical fouls?

Whose perception are you concerned about? If it's not your assigner, it's got to be someone.

I'd get writers cramp.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by lmeadski

I feel I can defuse quite well and that's why I have given one whole technical in my entire reffing career. However, I feel a well respected ref (notice I did not say liked) will get less flack from coaches during the course of a game and the season. In turn, this makes game management easier. So, I guess I am asking if T-ing up coaches helps solidify us as refs or if patience is the better path? My 5 years of reffing have not provided me ample wisdom in this area yet.

It's not the technicals -- it's how you handle conflict before you get to the point where you have to issue a technical.

If a coach is willing to talk, to listen, and to let you walk him back to where he needs to be (if he's wandered outside the box), then you can have an adult dialogue with him or just be someone who shows he's willing to listen.

If a coach screams and hollers and jumps up and down over something inconsequential and won't respond to your attempts to work with him, it's best to get away and simply whack the next occasion he crosses the line.

Some coaches respond to officials that will actively listen and communicate and some won't.

My attempt this season at improving is to simply not respond, ever, to comments. I'm not even looking in the direction of the benches unless there's an actual question. Sometimes, though, repeated comments approach ABS land and you have to TCB, but little "that's a travel" or "3 seconds" deserve none of your time of effort.

I've had one coach technical in 2 seasons. A guy who refused to give me a sub after I whacked one of his players for mouthing off after I called a foul on her (her 4th, the T was her 5th). He wanted a time out, I wanted a sub, we had horns, we had free throws. We almost had an ejection, but my partners stepped in at the right time and got him back to the bench.

I refuse to appear to bend over backwards to appear like I'm avoiding a technical foul. Eventually, it lets everyone know that you'll never call one and that it's a free-for-all, and I'm not going to have that.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by dbking

I have taken coaches by arm back towards their coaching box and tell them that I can not hear a thing that they are saying when they are outside of that box.

Wow...really??? I would never ever do such a thing. When people are already angry, touching them can just make a bad situation worse.