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Leaving Bench when fight may break out.
Gents,
Just trying to firm up my understanding of the penalties for players leaving the bench when a fight may break out, NFHS rules. Sitch: 2nd half is about to start with throw in by Team B. A1 and B1 do a double shove near division line, A6, A7, A8, A9, & A10 come rushing in. B6, B7, B8 come rushing in. No fight. Indirects from actions of bench personnel cause coaches to both be ejected. Intentional technicals on A1 & B1 for dead ball fouls. Flagrant player technicals on the 8 who came on the court. All 8 team members from the bench are disqualified. Differential from the two groups off the bench is a max of 2 free-throws. Team B will have 2 free-throws with the lane cleared and the ball for throw-in at the division line opposite the table. Team B keeps the arrow for A/P throw-in. Team fouls for the half are now Team A: 6, and Team B: 4. Just looking for confirmation that the penalty for team members leaving the bench when a fight may break out are flagrant player technicals and that each results in a team foul. Do I have it right?
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You are close...
The coaches aren't ejected from this sitch. Each is only charged one indirect since the subs didn't become involved in the fight (leaving the bench). A1 and B1 are charged as you say and they cancel out. B gets B gets the ball for throw-in and the AP doesn't change. Check out 10.4.5 Situation A Last edited by tjones1; Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 06:09pm. Reason: Corrected |
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It says the following: No free throws are awarded for the simultaneous technical fouls as the number of bench personnel leaving the bench and the penalties are the same for both teams. I think 10.4.5 Situation D supports my answer too... maybe not. Edit: Eh, the maybe not may be right.. 10.4.5 Situation F says something different. I guess I'm not sure now.. Last edited by tjones1; Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:24pm. |
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You will find your answer, I believe, in the following: Rule 10-4-5 2009-10 NFHS Basketball Rules Page 60 SECTION 4 BENCH TECHNICAL ART. 5 . . . Leave the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out. NOTE: The head coach may enter the court only if beckoned by an official. PENALTY: (Art. 5) Flagrant foul, disqualification of individual offender, but only one technical-foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders. This one foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach. If the head coach is an offender, an additional flagrant technical foul is charged directly to the coach and penalized. When a simultaneous technical foul(s) by opponents occurs, the free throws are not awarded when the penalties offset. Add to that... SIMULTANEOUS TECHNICALS BY OPPONENTS 10.4.5 SITUATION D: A1 and B1 begin to fight during a dead-ball period. Two substitutes from Team A and one from Team B leave their bench area and enter the court to be near the action. RULING: A1, B1 and the three substitutes are all disqualified and each is charged with a flagrant technical foul. Each coach is also charged indirectly with a technical foul. No free throws are awarded for the double technical foul by A1 and B1. The free throws for one substitute' foul by each team are canceled as the penalties offset. However, Team B is awarded two free throws and the ball for a division-line throw-in opposite the table for the second substitute' foul, which does not have a corresponding simultaneous technical foul by an opponent. Coaches each get an indirect. Two free throws to Team B. Team fouls are correct. 6 team fouls to 4. Last edited by CMHCoachNRef; Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:54pm. |
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Yes, the technical fouls by the team members leaving the bench are flagrant and each one counts toward the team foul count under NFHS rules. |
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For example: A1 and B1 are fighting on court. A6-A10 and B6-B8 comes onto the court. A6, A7 get involved with fight, B6, B7 and B8 get involved. A8, A9 and A10 do not participate in fight but stand there watching while on the court. |
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The coach gets one indirect for each who particiaptates, and one more for all who leave but don't participate.
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Therefore, in your situation, both coaches would be ejected.
Coach A: 1 indirect for A6 participating 1 indirect for A7 participating 1 indirect for A8, A9, and A10 leaving the bench Coach B: 1 indirect for B6 participating 1 indirect for B7 participating 1 indirect for B8 participating So: A1, A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, B1, B6, B7, B8, Coach A, and Coach B are all done for the game. |
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2. Two from Team A leave and fight, Three from Team B leave and fight: each receives a flagrant technical foul and is disqualified. Two team fouls against Team A, three against Team B. Head Coach for Team A receives two indirects. Head Coach for Team B receives three indirects and is DQ'd. Team A would be due two FTs as Team B had one extra fighter. 3. Two members from Team A left the bench, but did not become involved. Each receives a flagrant technical foul and is disqualified. Two team fouls against Team A. Head Coach for Team A receives one indirect T for the actions of these two team members, when combined with the two indirects received in section 2 this gives him three and equals a disqualification. Team B would be due only two FTs as neither team member from Team A was a fighter. 4. Cancel the 2FTs for Team A from part 2 with the 2FTs for Team B from part 3 and resume at the POI, per Case Book rulings listed under 10.4.5. |
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