Mistake...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by showbo

Team B grabs the ball and falls to the floor, he clearly has possession, no travel just yet.

Why not? If a player has possession and touches the floor inbounds with any part of the body other than a hand or foot, it's a travel. This is where you should have blown the whistle and called the travel.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Why not? If a player has possession and touches the floor inbounds with any part of the body other than a hand or foot, it's a travel. This is where you should have blown the whistle and called the travel.

For future reference, This is ONLY if the player is on his/her foot. If the player was in the air, grabbed the ball and then fell down on his/her leg, knees, butt, back, etc. there is no travel unless he changes which part of his body makes contact with the floor after having stopped moving (i.e. falls on his knees, then before dribbling he lifts a knee up and places his foot down to get up).

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by representing

For future reference, This is ONLY if the player is on his/her foot. If the player was in the air, grabbed the ball and then fell down on his/her leg, knees, butt, back, etc. there is no travel unless he changes which part of his body makes contact with the floor after having stopped moving (i.e. falls on his knees, then before dribbling he lifts a knee up and places his foot down to get up).

Rules reference, please.

I'll save you the trouble and point out 4.44.5 Situation A.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by representing

For future reference, This is ONLY if the player is on his/her foot. If the player was in the air, grabbed the ball and then fell down on his/her leg, knees, butt, back, etc. there is no travel unless he changes which part of his body makes contact with the floor after having stopped moving (i.e. falls on his knees, then before dribbling he lifts a knee up and places his foot down to get up).

You do realize you are absolutely, totally wrong, don't you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

For future reference, This is ONLY if the player is on his/her foot. If the player was in the air, grabbed the ball and then fell down on his/her leg, knees, butt, back, etc. there is no travel unless he changes which part of his body makes contact with the floor after having stopped moving (i.e. falls on his knees, then before dribbling he lifts a knee up and places his foot down to get up).

Not to pile on, but, well, you're wrong. An airborne player who falls on his butt is guilty of traveling. I've made this very call several times.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not to pile on, but, well, you're wrong. An airborne player who falls on his butt is guilty of traveling. I've made this very call several times.

And they don't even have to move their pivot cheek.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not to pile on, but, well, you're wrong. An airborne player who falls on his butt is guilty of traveling. I've made this very call several times.

How? He hasn't established position while in air and cannot until he is on the ground. You can't call a walk if this happens.

EDIT: to make sure we're all on the same page, I'm talking if the player comes directly on the butt, not touching his/her foot at all. It's a walk if he/she touches a foot first and then lands on the butt, but I thought if the player just falls to the floor without touching the foot it cannot be a walk until another part of the body touches the floor.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by representing

How? He hasn't established position while in air and cannot until he is on the ground. You can't call a walk if this happens.

EDIT: to make sure we're all on the same page, I'm talking if the player comes directly on the butt, not touching his/her foot at all. It's a walk if he/she touches a foot first and then lands on the butt, but I thought if the player just falls to the floor without touching the foot it cannot be a walk until another part of the body touches the floor.

See post #2 in this thread... there isn't an exception for "not touching the floor with the foot" or anything else like that.

I asked this same question 2 - 3 years ago on here, because I did exactly that several times when I played (I played goalie in soccer and so I used some of those instincts in diving for a ball and catching it. I never realized I traveled every time I came to the floor... sometimes it was called, sometimes it wasn't).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by representing

How? He hasn't established position while in air and cannot until he is on the ground. You can't call a walk if this happens.

EDIT: to make sure we're all on the same page, I'm talking if the player comes directly on the butt, not touching his/her foot at all. It's a walk if he/she touches a foot first and then lands on the butt, but I thought if the player just falls to the floor without touching the foot it cannot be a walk until another part of the body touches the floor.

You thought wrong.

That's an absolutely basic call. If a player secures possession in the air and then falls to the floor, it was, is and always will be traveling.

See case book play 4.44.5SitA(b).

[representing]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You thought wrong.

That's an absolutely basic call. If a player secures possession in the air and then falls to the floor, it was, is and always will be traveling.

See case book play 4.44.5SitA(b).

Wow, I stand corrected. This has happened several times to me (rare over 6 seasons) and I don't think I've ever called it once. Thanks for correcting me.