Foul or No Foul?

[TimTaylor]

imgrund,

I'm in complete agreement with the majority here:
1. This was clearly a foul and an easy one to call at that
2. It was in the L's primary area and he was correctly positioned to call it

From your original and subsequent posts, you clearly have no conceptual basis in reality when it comes to either the practice or principles of officiating, and your apparent knowledge of the rules of the game of basketball isn't much better. I could itemize, but others here have already done so quite accurately and succinctly so there's no point in making this post longer than necessary.

The bottom line is that you came to an official's discussion site with a question, apparently expecting justification and support for your preconceived opinions. You were given honest, knowledgeable and correct answers by officials with many years of experience. Instead of being upset that they didn't agree with you, try learning from the information provided to help expand your knowledge and understanding of the game. If you come here you will get honest answers - if you're looking for sympathy, go find a "fan boy" site.

[referee99]

... that the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd?
I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by referee99

That the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd? I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

I did see all zeros on the game clock, and no rebounders on the lanes, so the game horn must have sounded. In fact if you listen carefully, you can hear the horn sound a split second after the whistle (which can lead to another question). I wondered the same thing. It looks like the trail is signaling a second shot, and the lead hangs around to get the ball back after it ended up in the hands of the shooter. In any case, the two officials don't seem to be "heading out of Dodge" in any big hurry. Of course, the home team did win, so maybe they wanted to stick around to take their bows.

Now, who wants to post something about the split second difference? Let the games, and the fun, begin.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by referee99

... that the thrower was going to shoot his 2nd?
I never heard a horn with that dramatic music playing, but....

But, assuming that there was not another call made that the video does not show, we know that the horn did indeed sound. And how do we know this?

Raise your hand. Don't shout out the answer, Billy.

[APG]

I clicked on the link expecting a bang bang call, and all we get is THAT? That's about as easy as they come. Correct call coming from the correct official.

[just another ref]

And don't edit your post to make it look like you already had the answer before I gave you a hint, Billy.

[referee99]

Advice please on mechanics of administering free-throw, and what happens if made.
Nod, thumbs up to scorer and go?
Statement such as "ballgame!" and go?

What would be appropriate here?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by referee99

Advice please on mechanics of administering free-throw, and what happens if made. Nod, thumbs up to scorer and go? Statement such as "ballgame!" and go? What would be appropriate here?

Rule 10 PENALTIES: (Summary)
1. No free throws: e. After time has expired for the fourth quarter (or extra period), unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

Once the first free throw is made, the second free throw is not awarded because it will not affect the outcome of the game. White wins by one point.

Rule 2-2-4: The jurisdiction of the officials' is terminated and the final score has been approved when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

The closest official to the table should make eye contact with the table crew to be sure that there are no problems, and then "Get out of Dodge". No need to get the basketball, it's not your job. No need to get jackets, they should have been left in the locker room at halftime. No need to sign the scorebook, that should have been done pregame. No need to watch the handshake line, unless you are unfortunate enough to officiate in the the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And under no circumstances should you come back onto the court once all the officials leave the visual confines of the court. We had a Connecticut official do that several years ago, and it wasn't pretty. Any problems at that point are out of the control of the NFHS, and the officials, and will, if needed, be dealt with, at a later time, by the state association.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

Advice please on mechanics of administering free-throw, and what happens if made.
Nod, thumbs up to scorer and go?
Statement such as "ballgame!" and go?

What would be appropriate here?

Since it's a tie game with no time left (and the horn has sounded), no one is on the lane (I assume, since I didn't watch the video). Everyone (except perhaps the OP), will know the gmae is over. Watch the ball go through the net, make eye contact with your partner to be sure neither of you has a violation, and head for the locker room.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Raise your hand. Don't shout out the answer, Billy.

But you never call on me.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by just another ref

But, assuming that there was not another call made that the video does not show, we know that the horn did indeed sound. And how do we know this?

Raise your hand. Don't shout out the answer, Billy.

The horn is clearly audible in the video, during the second, real time showing (37 sec mark).