Double Foul

[chartrusepengui]

I've used it when necessary. I have two this year already. Usually occur in the paint. I usually try and do some preventive officiating telling them to play "straight up" or something. If one obviously initiates the contact I will call them for it - but sometimes, and for me it usually happens very early in the game or very late in the game - both competitors will start towards each other, or will touch and start leaning with an arm that goes to a full push like a couple of rhino's head to head. Then I'll hit them with the double.

And, like you, I have found this to be very effective in cleaning things up.

[smbbcoach99]

It indeed happen in the paint as the home team had possession of the ball on the wing, below the FT line. I attempted to ask the official if the home team should still have the ball. He barked NO (as I questioned him I guess). Then he restated, possession arrow- and it does not change. I asked about it changing and was told once more- and your gone.

??????? WOW!

Thanks for all your assistance

[Adam]

Originally Posted by smbbcoach99

It indeed happen in the paint as the home team had possession of the ball on the wing, below the FT line. I attempted to ask the official if the home team should still have the ball. He barked NO (as I questioned him I guess). Then he restated, possession arrow- and it does not change. I asked about it changing and was told once more- and your gone.

??????? WOW!

Thanks for all your assistance

What level?

[smbbcoach99]

8th grade game. But the two officials do JV and Varsity games on a regular basis.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by smbbcoach99

8th grade game. But the two officials do JV and Varsity games on a regular basis.

Wow, to mess a rule up like that and to get snippy with a coach?

I'd love to read their side of the story, but we won't likely get that.

[tjones1]

The only way I can see they got this correct is if the double foul was called when there wasn't team control. Then they went to the AP. During the AP throw-in, there was a kicking violation or foul. Therefore, the arrow doesn't change.

However, given the information... I doubt this is what happened. Sounds like they might have got it wrong.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tjones1

The only way I can see they got this correct is if the double foul was called when there wasn't team control. Then they went to the AP. During the AP throw-in, there was a kicking violation or foul. Therefore, the arrow doesn't change.

However, given the information... I doubt this is what happened. Sounds like they might have got it wrong.

Or, there was TC and the arrow was in the direction of the team with TC. The OP thought that the throw-in was for the arrow (perhaps because someone may have mistakenly indicated to use the arrow). Then, when the OP asked about changing it, s/he was correctly told "no"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

I've used it when necessary. I have two this year already. Usually occur in the paint. I usually try and do some preventive officiating telling them to play "straight up" or something. If one obviously initiates the contact I will call them for it - but sometimes, and for me it usually happens very early in the game or very late in the game - both competitors will start towards each other, or will touch and start leaning with an arm that goes to a full push like a couple of rhino's head to head. Then I'll hit them with the double.

And, like you, I have found this to be very effective in cleaning things up.

And for the opposing viewpoint.

I don't remember ever calling one in 23 years. Maybe in my first few years I did, but I don't remember any.

Early on I'm talkative to the posts and defenses, but it's usually pretty clear who got who first or who gained the advantage. I try to get that person if the talking doesn't work.

If there was a situation where both were equally culpable at the same time, I'd use it and know how to administer it.

[chartrusepengui]

I have 2 this year already but I think that's a lot. One came about when I just know I missed the inital contact. I was distracted by a toddler who somehow got right up to endline and was about to teeter onto the court. I turned and moved a step towards the kid - saw dad swoop in, looked back and saw the rhino behavior occur. So, I called the double - it's what I saw even though I know something must have intstigated this.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If there was a situation where both were equally culpable at the same time, I'd use it and know how to administer it.

Would you use POI or the AP arrow?

Kidding! Kidding! Jeez, settle down.