Intentional

[Welpe]

I've had one intentional foul call so far in my short basketball career.

It was during a relatively well played 8th grade boys game near the end of the third quarter. A visiting team player gets a hold of the ball out of a scrum in the home team's backcourt and has a fast break to an uncontested layup. As he goes up for his lay up, a defensive player comes leaping in from behind and tries to take a weak swipe at the ball while going completely through the offensive player. It was a pretty easy call for me actually. The home team coach nearly had a coronary event when I reported the foul as if this was somehow a surprise to him.

[jallen]

techs can only be not contact fouls and USP must involved contact. by the way I did score 94 on the very tricky FIBA exam this year, so I usually get the rules right

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jallen

techs can only be not contact fouls and USP must involved contact. by the way I did score 94 on the very tricky FIBA exam this year, so I usually get the rules right

A. most of us do not use FIBA
B. in NFHS what you're saying is false of technical fouls (4-19-5).
C. I don't know what USP means other than United States Pharmacopeia.

[Ref_in_Alberta]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A. most of us do not use FIBA
- True, the majority of posters here are in the USA.
B. in NFHS what you're saying is false of technical fouls (4-19-5).
- Technical Fouls under FIBA rules are always non-contact in nature.
- Dead ball contact that cannot be ignored under FIBA rules should be assessed as an Unsportsmanlike Foul.
C. I don't know what USP means other than United States Pharmacopeia.
- USP = Unsportsmanlike Foul (same penalty as the NF/NCAA Intentional Foul. 2 Shots + Ball) FIBA puts the ball at the divison line for any penalty involving FTs + Possesion

posted for clarification...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta

posted for clarification...

- USP = Unsportsmanlike Foul (same penalty as the NF/NCAA Intentional Foul. 2 Shots + Ball at the division line)

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

(Sounds of rookie running for rules book)
2 FT plus throw in (10-6 Penalties 4) at designated spot 2-2-2 (officials Manual)

[jallen]

I did not mean to confuse anyone but I wanted just to use a short form
unsportsman like personal foul which can occur during a deal ball and can be canceled if there is an offsetting USP or T foul called. this is different from other sets of rules.
I have refereed many times in the states over the last 15 years and have adapted well to their rules when needed to. Basically refereeing is refereeing

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's NOT the penalty for an intentional foul.

Well, he did say that it was for "dead ball contact that cannot be ignored", so, unless he's talking about a foul on or by an airborne shooter, it is an intentional technical foul, and his penalty is correct.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Well, he did say that it was for "dead ball contact that cannot be ignored", so, unless he's talking about a foul on or by an airborne shooter, it is an intentional technical foul, and his penalty is correct.

Fair enough. But the penalty he provided is the penalty for any technical foul, and only some intentional fouls (namely those that are also T's), and thus more correctly described as the penalty for technical fouls.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Welpe

...... home team coach nearly had a coronary event when I reported the foul as if this was somehow a surprise to him.

No big surprise there.

In the game last night, situation occurred on a long rebound off a 3 pt attempt by V1. V3 chases the rebound, followed by H3 maybe 2 steps behind her. V3 gets possession of the ball - H3 makes no attempt to avoid contact and crashes full tilt into V3, hooking an arm around her torso and taking her to the floor in the process. When I reported the intentional, coach H nearly lost it. He collected himself and asked "how can you call that intentional?" - my reply was "excessive contact". The dumbfounded look on his face told me he clearly didn't know the rule.......

[Ref_in_Alberta]

I had an Unsportmanlike foul last night, in a VG tournament game (FIBA rules).

Partner calls a "common" foul on Blue 14. White 13 (the player who was fouled) turns and pushes Blue 14 during the ensueing dead ball. So I call the unsportsmanlike foul. (I belive in NF/NCAA this would be an Intentional Technical).

Strange thing is, there was not a peep from the White team coach whom I've had issues with in the past. I didn't hear anything else from him for the rest of the game either.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I've had one intentional foul call so far in my short basketball career.

We had 4 in the last 20 seconds of overtime tonight. That's right, 4. Visitors open overtime with a 6-0 run. Home misses, visitors sit on it down inside the final minute. Finally they turn it over, home scores and calls timeout. Visitors inbound, kid wraps his arms around the dribbler from behind. Two shots. Ball back to the spot in backcourt. Inbound. Home player grabs the shirt with both hands. Two shots. Same spot. Same throwin. Same foul.......twice more.

Heard coach each time scolding the player. "You can't do that." But they continued to "do that."

Finally with 4 seconds left home coach told his team to back up.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Heard coach each time scolding the player. "You can't do that." But they continued to "do that."

Man, I had no idea that learning curve was so steep!