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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 05:50am
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So you are saying that you believe that your partner's view of the shooter's hand was blocked by the ball? The ball was between the shooter's hand and his eyes on this play?

I need to get my rest as well, but I believe that I have made it clear that my opinion is that you don't have a clear grasp for handling the mechanics of this last-second try for goal in transition. You are convinced that this call was your decision to make and not your partners as well as that he got it wrong. I believe that you are mistaken about the former and I can't pass judgment upon the latter because I didn't see the action. If you would like to learn something from this situation, you will need to cease being so rigid in your view and open your mind to other possibilities. I'll be back posting tomorrow, if you desire to hear some of the finer points of dealing with such a play.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 04:00pm
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So you are saying that you believe that your partner's view of the shooter's hand was blocked by the ball? The ball was between the shooter's hand and his eyes on this play?

I need to get my rest as well, but I believe that I have made it clear that my opinion is that you don't have a clear grasp for handling the mechanics of this last-second try for goal in transition. You are convinced that this call was your decision to make and not your partners as well as that he got it wrong. I believe that you are mistaken about the former and I can't pass judgment upon the latter because I didn't see the action. If you would like to learn something from this situation, you will need to cease being so rigid in your view and open your mind to other possibilities. I'll be back posting tomorrow, if you desire to hear some of the finer points of dealing with such a play.
I'm always up for learning from other officials, just as long as no one gets all cocky or arrogant about it. That's why I'm glad I found this forum yesterday, I can ask questions on here and no one will know who I am. Hell, one of you could probably be someone from the same chapter I'm from in Pennsylvania!

Anyways, yes, I'm saying his view would have been blocked by the ball, because of the angle he had, and most likely the net was in his line of view as well. I feel I was in a better position to make that call. I think he should have known he might not have been at a good angle and that I was at the better angle. I even saw the home team's coach looking like "wow, we got lucky on that one" just before I left to get off the court.
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Old Wed Dec 16, 2009, 10:56pm
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I'm always up for learning from other officials, just as long as no one gets all cocky or arrogant about it. That's why I'm glad I found this forum yesterday, I can ask questions on here and no one will know who I am. Hell, one of you could probably be someone from the same chapter I'm from in Pennsylvania!

Anyways, yes, I'm saying his view would have been blocked by the ball, because of the angle he had, and most likely the net was in his line of view as well. I feel I was in a better position to make that call. I think he should have known he might not have been at a good angle and that I was at the better angle. I even saw the home team's coach looking like "wow, we got lucky on that one" just before I left to get off the court.


As a new poster and I'm assuming a newer official, you're going get smacked, especially from folks like Nevada. You may not like his bedside manner, but you'll get the correct ruling . This is a great place to learn. Use the information and apply it to your game.
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Old Thu Dec 17, 2009, 12:36am
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My two cents...

Trail has last shot of the quarter (official's manual).... This is a pregame and communication issue

I usually pregame that if there is less than 3 seconds that new lead will take shots in front court, trail has shotys from backcourt.

In your situation, I would have gone to your partner and asked if he needed help. If he did not want help let him die by the call and then ask him about the call at half ...
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