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When I started, 6 years ago, I recognized real quickly I was gonna have to learn to deal with the coaches. I, quite frankly, wasn't gonna have people yelling at me. I came here and got the advice. I applied the advice and its like magic. It works. I'm now a Varsity ref and I address things real early in my games. I follow up when necessary and for the most part there aren't many coaching tantrums other then the "head pops off" kind. Addressing these are a no brainer -TWEET But the ongoing whining and complaining doesn't fly for very long with me.  Get the advice here you need and then apply it. I went with the three step method when I started out. 1. Talk with them. 2. Stop sign. 3. Reward their behavior..... It worked for me. 
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You need to pregame this. The first time it gets to be excessive, you or a partner needs to blow the whistle (during a dead ball), step out, and announce that "the bench has been warned." This is, of course, after saying something to the effect of "we've heard enough" to the coach. After the verbal announcement, each partner can deal with whatever issues come up as he or she sees fit, however, if you choose to call a T then, you've laid a perfect foundation for it, and everyone on the floor knows it.
This will likely prevent the other bench from doing something similar. This technique has worked pretty well for us, but it requires a pregame discussion.
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 Can you explain your procedure in detail. As many know, I have been against this for years and there has been a recent move (In my area at least) to stop doing this. If used like it was in the past, it possibly makes the situation worse.
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One of the frustrating things about this forum is the near fanatical positions some people take on the stop sign. Some people use them becaue, like me, they have found them to be a useful tool. SOme people don't, because they think it enflames the situation. Good for all of you. To each his own. I've used it twice this year so far and in both cased, the coach reined in his/her emotions (one each) enough to not lose their coaching box. In my case, it did jjust the opposite of enflaming the situation.
But can we get away from trying to start an on-line holy war over the stop sign? Thank you.  I don't want to have to WHACK all of you! 
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Coach chirping and generally reffing the game for us. For example "thats a travel" yada, yada, yada. Go over and have a conversation with coach. Then if the behavior continued we were taught to give them the "Stop Sign" the next time they started reffing/chirping. Then we were to follow up with the T. It helped give me some structure in dealing with coaches when I was starting out. Did it make things worse ? Probably but I still had a system in place for dealing with the persistent stuff. I needed all the help I can get. Do I use it now ? Nope. I now go and have a chat about the chirping and they either stop it or I whistle them for it. I have come to appreciate Julie's take on things in her post up above. A T is just another foul. As a sidebar I did have a coach lose her head last night. Didn't like my player control call. As I'm reporting it she comes about 5 feet on the court,stomping her feet, and yelling. That was a no conversation T. She caught up to me afterwards in the parking lot and informed me my officating days were over cause "she knows people."
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Coach chirping and generally reffing the game for us. For example "thats a travel" yada, yada, yada. Go over and have a conversation with coach. Then if the behavior continued we were taught to give them the "Stop Sign" the next time they started reffing/chirping. Then we were to follow up with the T. It helped give me some structure in dealing with coaches when I was starting out. Did it make things worse ? Probably but I still had a system in place for dealing with the persistent stuff. I needed all the help I could get. Do I use it now ? Nope. I now go and have a chat about the chirping and they either stop it or I whistle them for it. I have come to appreciate Julie's take on things in her post up above. A T is just another foul. As a sidebar I did have a coach lose her head last night. Didn't like my player control call. As I'm reporting it she comes about 5 feet on the court,stomping her feet, and yelling. That was a no conversation T. She caught up to me afterwards in the parking lot and informed me my officating days were over cause "she knows people."
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Technical Fouls ???
Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a technical foul. When coaches complain, ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate gripe, then allow them some latitude. Be courteous. Do not argue. Be firm and fair If you know a coach is upset then move away from him or her, even if it means that you and your partner are not switching or rotating properly. Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a warning. Lend a reasonable ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are more likely to lose control. If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out. If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first. If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash. Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top reasons to give a technical foul. If necessary, give an initial strong warning. Let your partner know about the warning. Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent. Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation: Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene. A coach questions your integrity. Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction. A coach is embarrassing an official. A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning. Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining. A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned. Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given: A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls. If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far. If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things. Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires a penalty. Maintain a calm attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the coach by being demonstrative. Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal the technical foul. Take a deep breath to calm yourself. Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul. Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box. Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. When asked, always explain technical fouls on players to coaches. Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately. The calling official may want to stay away from the coach for a few minutes, even if it means not making a switch, or making an unneeded switch, after the administration of the technical foul penalty has been completed. Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed rebuttal time. Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it is warranted. Original Source: The Greater Philadelphia Basketball Official's Association
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