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Adam Fri Dec 11, 2009 03:14pm
If A1 has time to stop before contact, then B1 has time to change course. The onus is on the defense here, IMO.

fiasco Fri Dec 11, 2009 03:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641773)
Come on guys ... you have never seen this? A1 dribbles into the path or in front of B1 (possibly stops, but still dribbling) and they crash.

You calling a foul on A1? A1 did initiate the contact, but B1 was not in LGP.

See the play in your head ... what do you have?

Nevada, I know your good - what's your call?
What is this, a trick question or something?

Raymond Fri Dec 11, 2009 03:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641784)
This is not the play (see above).

A1 dribbles into the path of where B1 appeared to be running. A1 stops (may have even initiated the contact - (much like offensive player driving to the basket) B1 can't stop and hits A1 ... you have to have a call. Do you call PC on A1 or push on B1?

I know you have all seen this play where the point guard dribbles into the defensive player while running up the floor. But, in this case there is a crash!
I will ask again. WHO GOT TO THE SPOT OF THE COLLISION FIRST?

I will ask a new question: what is your agenda? Are you trying to win a bet with someone? You seemed determined to get a particular answer from the forum.

Johnny Ringo Fri Dec 11, 2009 04:38pm
No agenda. Just trying to get an answer. Foul on A1 of B1

Thanks snaqwells, your reasoning was good.

Just see the play and make a call. Is there not enough info for most of you?

Raymond Fri Dec 11, 2009 05:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641823)
Just see the play and make a call. Is there not enough info for most of you?
No...I would like to know who got the spot of the collision first.

Without that it's a HTBT for me.

RookieDude Fri Dec 11, 2009 05:15pm
...OK, I'll humor you...PUSH on B1! And I'd sell it quite nicely thank-you very much.;)

fiasco Fri Dec 11, 2009 05:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641823)

Just see the play and make a call.
Flagrant foul on A1 and B1, they're both ejected and so are the coaches and both teams. We all go home.

Johnny Ringo Sat Dec 12, 2009 01:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 641828)
No...I would like to know who got the spot of the collision first.

Without that it's a HTBT for me.
Obviously A1 got there first and then contact.

I can't imagine you all have never seen this or are having that hard of a time picturing.

But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?

I have no bet or agenda - just seeking what you all would do. So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!

Back In The Saddle Sat Dec 12, 2009 02:04am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641932)
So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!
It's just a service we offer. ;)

bob jenkins Sat Dec 12, 2009 08:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641932)
But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?
If A1 displaces B1 from B1's path, then it's a foul on A1 (or a no call).

If A1 gets into the path without causing contact, then the player behind (B1) is responsible for the contact.

Johnny Ringo Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:13pm
Nice Bob, thanks!

Raymond Sat Dec 12, 2009 01:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641932)
Obviously A1 got there first and then contact.

I can't imagine you all have never seen this or are having that hard of a time picturing.

But, let me change try - A1 is dribbling slightly faster than B1 is running - side-by-side. A1 dribbls into the path slightly ahead - creating contact and they both go down. Who do you call the foul on?

I have no bet or agenda - just seeking what you all would do. So, no need for goofy remarks. THANKS!
Asking who got there first is a goofy remark? What's goofy is asking the same thing over and over and wondering why people can't picture the same thing you do.

I have never had the play in any of my games. Is that goofy also?

Johnny Ringo Sun Dec 13, 2009 01:02am
BadNewsRef ... trying to answer the question is fine and I appreciate that.

You have never seen a guard with the ball dribble into a defender while running down the court? I just saw it twice today in college games.

Lcubed48 Sun Dec 13, 2009 03:15pm
OK, I'll give it a try!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 641474)
Player A1 dribbling down the floor.

Player B1 (defense) running down the floor.

A1 dribbles into the path of B1 and both bodies hit the floor.

What do you have?
I've got a foul on A1 as he/she is the one who has created the contact. IMO, LGP has nothing to do is this stich. B1 is entitled to their spot/space on the floor. If A1 violates that, then it's a foul on them.
IOW, B1 got to the spot first.

Johnny Ringo Sun Dec 13, 2009 05:08pm
Lcubed48, A1 starts a dribble just outside the elbow, B1 is running alongside A1 and as A1 gets a few feet from the basket briibles into B1 (or B1's path) and contact is made.

Do you still call a foul on A1?

Does LGP come into play in this situation?


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